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Mad_Gasser
10-05-2005, 12:28 PM
Can any of you old timers out there figure out the timelines of when gaming got underway in this community?

For example:

RTCW: Charter Miami - Started November 1999 to Feb 2001
Rotation: Market Garden
RTCW: Charter DS3 - Started (bla bla bla)
Rotation: Village; Base; etc.
Enemy Territory: Started: bla bla bla
Rotation: bla bla bal

I'm having a tough time putting dates around the history.

I know that CCM closed around december 2003 because that's when many people signed up at VSFGamers.

Any dates you have would be cool.

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batmanuel
10-05-2005, 02:25 PM
JTFazz registered vsfgamers.com: Domain created on 02-Dec-2003

that's about all i've got.

LionRampant
10-05-2005, 05:47 PM
I'm thinking Marketgarden rotation was summer of 2002 which was when I started playing on CCM.

Enemy Territory was February/March of 2003.

Those are the only dates I can take a stab at.

DrGreen
10-05-2005, 07:52 PM
RTCW - Marketgarden March 2001.
Redfury* and Dr.Green* are on defense....AGAIN.

Seriously tho, when did CCM/VSF begin using Teamspeak or another VOIP game engine for comms.?

Mad_Gasser
10-06-2005, 11:47 AM
RTCW - Marketgarden March 2001.
Redfury* and Dr.Green* are on defense....AGAIN.

Seriously tho, when did CCM/VSF begin using Teamspeak or another VOIP game engine for comms.?

Early on Artemis and What The... set up a voice chat program but it didn't last too long. About 3 months or so.
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Naz
10-06-2005, 01:22 PM
RTCW - Marketgarden March 2001.
Redfury* and Dr.Green* are on defense....AGAIN.

Seriously tho, when did CCM/VSF begin using Teamspeak or another VOIP game engine for comms.?

Early on Artemis and What The... set up a voice chat program but it didn't last too long. About 3 months or so.

Teamsound went live on 1/4/03
then we switched to TS on 3/3/03


August 2002 CCM Battlefield '42 server came online.

-Naz

CMontyBurns
10-06-2005, 01:56 PM
if you have the links still somewhere, go to the http://www.archive.org/

Chairman_Kaga
10-06-2005, 01:59 PM
Wasn't the initial server Artemis Ice, Charter Ice or something like that? Then that evolved into the MG rotations and flavors thereof.

ignus
10-06-2005, 02:43 PM
RtCW didnt come out till 2001, how come you have 1999 listed?

The Duke
10-07-2005, 12:30 AM
CPT, myself, NV, and Gasser all started up around the same time on CCM....it was 'Charter Communications DS3' initially....then Artemis got his 'Ice' server running in parallel, then it became CCM, then Charter got bought out and Art shut the show down.

Seems like about half or maybe 2/3 of the old gang found there way over here to VSF....maybe about 1/3 to 1/2 of the old crew is still around....

We'll probably never hear from Artemis again, but we all owe the Sombrero a big thanks.

The Duke
10-07-2005, 12:37 AM
Ah, just to add....the original DS3 server ran the stock maps - base, assault, beach, depot, etc....classic maps. Then around Feb or March (I'm guessing 2000?) Artemis set up the forums and the community really took off w/ the server and forums in parallel.

When Market Garden came along, man....those were some epic battles. A single game would go on for hours at a time. The stupid/stubborn engineers (myself, Lowrider, Artemis, etc.), the hero medics (Mere Child/aka Geri, Naz, Gasser, etc..), the panzerwhores (JT, NV??, myself (in NB anyway), etc.).

Hey Gasser, remember the classic MG match w/ Clay Henry? Two or three guys near the 1,000 point mark when that one finally ended. The street down from the center frag was pure pandemonium for a couple of hours. Every few minutes, a broadcast would come across the screen: I Get My Might From A Veggie Delight!

Yeah, I do miss those days....very close group. VSF is outstanding, but that was a unique time. The gaming community concept was new, we had a good game, and not nearly as many other games pulling folks in opposite directions. What The and Art did a good job w/ running the servers, and of course the FOGs were classic.

batmanuel
10-07-2005, 01:16 AM
then Charter got bought out and Art shut the show down.


I believe it ws shutdown before Charter got bought, or it was unrelated. I could be wrong though.

SpongeBob
10-07-2005, 09:37 AM
RtCW didnt come out till 2001, how come you have 1999 listed?
2nd half 2001 as well, possibly 4th quarter, but I'm not sure.

MadSci
10-07-2005, 11:04 AM
then Charter got bought out and Art shut the show down.


I believe it ws shutdown before Charter got bought, or it was unrelated. I could be wrong though.

I remember the forums was shutdown without any notice but the CCM chatroom was still functional at the time, that's when a bunch of us discussed the next steps and voila, VSFGamers was created.

http://12.43.96.18/phpchat/chat/index.php3

Doesn't work anymore :wink:

MadSci
10-07-2005, 11:32 AM
One of the last discussions on the CCM Chatroom when the forums went down, don't ask me why I have this. :roll:

14:10 [Rogue] hey
17:14:21 [Artemis] sup Rogue
17:14:27 [Mad_Gasser] That's cool. Maybe you can convince them to build a gaming department.
17:14:48 [Artemis] you never know
17:15:13 [Artemis] I did budget for 7 new servers for 1qtr 2004.... for gaming
17:15:26 [Mad_Gasser] are the forms toast or just shut off?
17:15:30 [Mad_Gasser] forums
17:15:39 YellowDog enters this room
17:15:39 [Artemis] as I said, CCM will be back one day but as something different
17:15:45 kaga enters this room
17:15:50 [YellowDog] hey
17:15:51 [Artemis] off
17:15:55 [Artemis] hi
17:16:12 [Rogue] well... i guess we kind of jumped the gun :P
17:16:14 [Artemis] data is all intact..... for the moment
17:16:14 [kaga] Hidy hooooo
17:16:30 [kaga] Rogue> WE NEVER OVERREACT!!!!
17:16:41 [kaga]
17:16:52 MadSci enters this room
17:16:53 >[MadSci] Welcome to CCM chat. KHs will be banished permanently so: try to be pleasant and polite.
17:16:54 [Artemis] I just need to get away for a while and don't want to leave things untidy
17:17:00 [MadSci] woohoo! hey art
17:17:18 Miss_KillY enters this room
17:17:18 [Artemis] and Kevin is ... well, having perasonal issues
17:17:25 [Artemis] Hellp MadSci!!
17:17:27 Lion enters this room
17:17:30 [Rogue] well, a lot of people have expressed interest in backing up information they have there
17:17:32 [Artemis] can't type
17:17:34 [Artemis] Hello
17:17:37 [Rogue] if that is possible
17:17:45 [Lion] hullo
17:17:52 [Mad_Gasser] maybe read only
17:18:00 [Miss_KillY] heyas long time no see
17:18:00 [Artemis] what infomation is that important?
17:18:08 [Artemis] Hi Lion, Killya
17:18:14 Sauron enters this room
17:18:24 [MadSci] probably personal information via IMs...like emails, cell phone #'s etc
17:18:29 [Sauron] hi all
17:18:38 [Artemis] hmm.. good point
17:18:41 [YellowDog] hey
17:18:56 [Lion] hi
17:19:26 [Sauron] i feel dumb, i just now figuered out the my e-mail predicament
17:19:48 [kaga] <no comment>
17:19:50 [Lone] Hey all again! sorry I'm real busy!
17:19:51 [Artemis] people still use this chat room?
17:19:53 [MadSci] what made you check out the chat room art?
17:19:57 [Lion] nah, you sorted it an hour ago
17:20:15 [Rogue] well, we kind of discovered it was still up
17:20:15 [Mad_Gasser] are you planning on leaving the chat room up?
17:20:19 [Artemis] I took it down.... looked at the logs and saw kaga and cowboy
17:20:22 [MadSci] when CCM went down...the chat room was the only way of communicating about what to do next
17:20:26 [YellowDog] it helped network when the others went down
17:20:29 [kaga] Artemis> Not as many as used to but we poke our noses in almost daily
17:20:30 [Artemis] then put it back up to say goodbye
17:20:32 [Rogue] a temp forum was then setup
17:20:38 igmanstein enters this room
17:20:41 [MadSci] there were 26 people yesterday
17:20:44 hsnopi enters this room
17:20:46 [kaga] Artemis> And madsci.
17:20:47 [kaga]
17:20:50 [hsnopi] evening folks
17:20:58 [Artemis] Hi guys
17:21:20 [Artemis] jeez
17:21:28 [igmanstein] Hi Art. I was worried. Everything ok with you?
17:21:41 [hsnopi] ART!
17:21:43 [Artemis] yup... just really really busy
17:21:51 [Sauron] so Art, what was the exact definition of "temporary parting" in the CCM message?
17:22:03 [igmanstein] good. glad to hear it, the good part at least
17:22:15 [kaga] Artemis> YOu think this is nuts. 70 ppl signed up to the temp forums in 24 hours.
17:22:23 AJ enters this room
17:22:25 Maratek enters this room
17:22:29 [kaga] Artemis> surely one way to shake things up. LOL
17:22:31 [hsnopi] 70?
17:22:32 [Rogue] over 600 posts
17:22:36 [hsnopi] wow tht is aewsome
17:22:43 [igmanstein] in like 26 hours
17:22:44 [AJ] hi guys
17:22:45 [MadSci] iggy leading the way
17:22:51 [igmanstein] insane
17:22:52 [hsnopi] how many from sk andsauron? 500?
17:22:58 [igmanstein] yeah, well...
17:23:01 [Lion] i think i smell something, but it's not AJ
17:23:02 [Artemis] kaga... the last thing I want to think about right now are forums
17:23:08 cowboy enters this room
17:23:28 [hsnopi] so art. becuase you have explained it a thousand times. are you gonna come play with us at VSF?
17:23:30 [kaga] Artemis> hehe
17:23:30 [Sauron] hsnopi> ive not even posted 10 times yet
17:23:33 [kaga] true
17:23:34 [Lion] oi Gabe
17:23:34 [YellowDog] SK thinks hes at fault for leaveing again
17:23:50 [Rogue] rofl
17:23:58 [kaga] LOL
17:24:02 [Rogue] his reaction on TS: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
17:24:04 [hsnopi] YD> I say we go with that one
17:24:18 [cowboy] hello lion
17:24:34 [hsnopi] you just burnt out?
17:24:39 [cowboy] YellowDog> lol
17:24:44 [Artemis] I will leave this chat room up and you guys can use it to network if needed
17:24:58 [Lion] cowboy> I tip my "See you Jimmy" hat to you
17:24:59 [MadSci] woohoo! Thanks!
17:25:01 [Sauron] cool
17:25:02 [kaga] Artemis> that would be cool. thx
17:25:03 [cowboy] Artemis> thanks art
17:25:08 [YellowDog] thanks well fr all really
17:25:08 [Sauron] i got to go, bbl
17:25:13 vygramul enters this room
17:25:16 [YellowDog] for
17:25:22 [kaga] later sauron
17:25:35 [hsnopi] Art> thanks for the work you did put in these years.
17:25:47 [Rogue] ditto!
17:25:53 [MadSci] ditto that
17:25:54 MASH enters this room
17:26:00 [Artemis] thanks
17:26:09 [igmanstein] Thanks Art. It was a hell of a good time.
17:26:11 [Lion] god, i agree with Rouge
17:26:24 Lemming enters this room
17:26:25 AirborneR enters this room
17:26:26 [Rogue] scary, loin
17:26:35 [hsnopi] art, iyou are leaving can I have your MP-40?
17:26:36 [kaga] It's officially a party in here!!!!
17:26:36 [vygramul]
17:26:39 [igmanstein] loin...lol
17:26:42 [Lion] Rogue> you're telling me
17:26:45 [AirborneR] hey art
17:26:49 [Lemming] woo hoo
17:26:50 [Artemis] hmmm.... whats with the chat room?
17:26:51 [igmanstein] :|
17:26:51 [Rogue] more like his 1337 mauser
17:27:00 [Lemming] so .... what happened?
17:27:00 [kaga] <<< wants that damn hip mauser Art has.
17:27:02 [Rogue] hip-shot master
17:27:04 [Mad_Gasser] just stress testing
17:27:07 [Lion] hipshot-headshot mauser
17:27:08 [MadSci] um, we posted that you were here in the temp forums
17:27:12 [igmanstein] there's a post in the new forum that you are here
17:27:18 [MadSci]
17:27:21 [Lion] hipshot-headshot mauser master
17:27:23 [Artemis] oh gawd
17:27:26 [Mad_Gasser] seems like only 5 minutes ago there were 2 people
17:27:26 [hsnopi] lololol
17:27:32 [cowboy] figuresd lol
17:27:34 [hsnopi] i just got to work
17:27:35 [Artemis] I'm out... have fun guys!!!
17:27:38 Artemis exits from this room
17:27:39 [Mr.Burns] and everyone is crawling out of the woodwork, wondering what happened of course
17:27:40 [kaga] Artemis> time to run-n-hide
17:27:44 [MadSci] lmao
17:27:45 [hsnopi] i usually load up the forums first but this is my home for now
17:27:47 [vygramul] l8r art thanks for all
17:27:47 [Mad_Gasser] by art!
17:27:49 [AirborneR] Rogue get on TS
17:27:51 [Rogue] :/
17:27:56 [YellowDog] we are like bad cats
17:27:57 [AirborneR] by art
17:27:58 [Lone] Vyg is in here!
17:27:59 [vygramul] what's the temp forums URL?
17:28:00 [MadSci] that's classic, l8r art
17:28:04 [Lion] lmao
17:28:15 [kaga] http://ccmforums.proboards25.com/index.cgi
17:28:18 [MadSci] http://www.vsfgamers.com
17:28:21 [Lemming] can someone give me the 30-second synopis of what happened to CCM*?
17:28:22 [Rogue] soooo
17:28:25 [Rogue] what now?
17:28:27 Artemis enters this room
17:28:28 [igmanstein] YellowDog> that won't go away
17:28:33 [Artemis] one last thing
17:28:34 [Rogue] still work on a site?
17:28:36 [MadSci] lmao
17:28:41 [Lone] synopis?
17:28:43 [Lone] what's that?
17:28:45 [kaga] aye?
17:28:46 [hsnopi] yes?
17:28:50 [YellowDog] yes
17:28:58 [Artemis] whoever is running the temp forums, msg me... maybe you can take over the real forums
17:29:01 [MadSci] shoot
17:29:03 [Lone] * Lone poops his pants
17:29:04 [Lion] i'm hanging by my fingertips here
17:29:07 [Artemis] would be easier no?
17:29:07 [hsnopi] <--salutes
17:29:09 [kaga] hmmm, captive audience...
17:29:10 [igmanstein] YAY
17:29:12 Artemis exits from this room
17:29:17 [MadSci] oh....interesting
17:29:18 [igmanstein] !!!
17:29:19 [YellowDog] woohoo
17:29:21 [Rogue] wow
17:29:29 [Mr.Burns] heehaw
17:29:30 [MadSci] woohoo!
17:29:32 [YellowDog] JT and airborne
17:29:33 [Lion] mmm
17:29:36 [cowboy] Hmmm......
17:29:38 [igmanstein] i was hoping he would give us the forum
17:29:45 [hsnopi] ok i am posint ghat o the forums
17:29:45 [igmanstein] too cool
17:29:47 [MadSci] man, JT spent money the domain, maybe we should send funds
17:29:49 [MASH] probably best for a clean start, no?
17:29:52 [kaga] LOL. Like 10 of us mod'ing the new forums.
17:29:54 [vygramul] <--- +salutes
17:30:05 [kaga] MASH> I think mostly less work for Art in the long run
17:30:12 [Lion] MASH> i thought that
17:30:13 [Rogue] i'd be willing to try i out...
17:30:18 [Rogue] it*
17:30:26 [Rogue] sure as heck easier than starting over
17:30:32 [YellowDog] at least access to lil buddy etc
17:30:44 [Lion] MASH> we're already halfway there... it feels like change is good already
17:30:53 [igmanstein] MASH> clean start yes, but put the forums up temporarily so we can get our stuff
17:30:55 [Miss_KillY] damn there is alot of ppl in here!!
17:31:07 [Lion] yea, i agree with getting any stuff we want
17:31:13 [vygramul] We ought to have a going away FOG BASH ET with Byzantine, which can fit 60 people.
17:31:32 [MadSci] servers are down vyg
17:31:35 [Rogue] so who has the info to msg art?
17:31:39 [kaga] Miss_KillY> all here to see you. we miss you.
17:31:40 [Lone] NO!
17:31:41 [YellowDog] plus we can port the stuff we need and the members can be notified
17:31:44 [Lone] not going away!
17:31:56 [Lion] kaga, you getting screenshots of the chat here?
17:31:59 [Lone]
17:32:00 [kaga] Rogue> probably JT will have his IM
17:32:10 shaky enters this room
17:32:10 [Rogue] ok....
17:32:16 [kaga] yes
17:32:17 [Rogue] so are we cancelling our VSF thing?
17:32:20 [MadSci] yes, take screenshots
17:32:31 [MadSci] dunno, gotta tell JT about it tonight
17:32:38 [igmanstein] no way rogue
17:32:39 [hsnopi] i just posted
17:32:39 [cowboy] yehawwww
17:32:40 [YellowDog] the online gameing email may work
17:32:44 [Lion] Rogue> hold your horses
17:32:45 [vygramul]>[MadSci] yes, but at least one other server runs it in a rotation. we ought to take it over.
17:32:55 [hsnopi] i mean we hae a lot of energy going here. change insn't bad
17:33:04 [Lion] hsnopi> my thoughts
17:33:08 [igmanstein] put the forum up for a couple od days to let us get some stuff out and then that the end
17:33:09 [hsnopi] i like the VSF thing. we are all building it
17:33:30 [Lion] igmanstein> i'd agree
17:33:41 [MadSci] my thoughts is...get ccm back up and start contacting people that are missing
17:33:51 [hsnopi] igm> me too. or even maybe have it set up so no one can post adn leave it up for refference
17:33:52 [Rogue] i'm just throwing questions out
17:33:58 [MadSci] once we get everyone, we'll go from there
17:34:00 [YellowDog] yES AND WE CAN INFORM MEMBER WHO WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD
17:34:00 [igmanstein] * igmanstein wonders why he still can't type after all these years.
17:34:01 [kaga] Not sure I'll post them but...(screenies that is)
17:34:04 [Mr.Burns] and allow me to download my links, my precious links
17:34:19 [Rogue] lol
17:34:25 [MadSci] yes, and all the pictures and screenshots
17:34:27 [Lion] heh
17:34:30 [igmanstein] kaga> i'm saving the text
17:34:35 [hsnopi] and recipes:-D

Vygramul
10-07-2005, 11:38 AM
Oh, man Byzantine. That map was SWEET!

CPT
10-07-2005, 12:36 PM
Duke is correct concerning CCM DS3 with the stock maps. However, Bat, if I recall correctly Charter was sold and the server continued to run for a few months before Art shut it down. Those classics battles on MG were great fun as was NB. Following Wrigs and NV trying to keep them alive was often detrimental to my health but entertaining. I recall a 5 hour game on MG when Eggman and I had over 850 pts each.

What-the..
10-07-2005, 01:00 PM
I do not even remember and I did the hardware and software installs.

:?:

Chairman_Kaga
10-07-2005, 01:18 PM
I do not even remember and I did the hardware and software installs.

:?:
Stop killing all those brain cells on the weekends. ;)

Roc_ketboy
10-07-2005, 01:55 PM
ah the memories..the never ending MG battles..*cry* Then the joy of fraggin Duke :D

Naz
10-07-2005, 02:50 PM
ah the memories..the never ending MG battles..*cry* Then the joy of TK'n Duke :D
:lol:

-Naz

Vygramul
10-07-2005, 03:34 PM
Man, some of those MG battles were EPIC! But speaking of points, remember when Art set the 88-destructo-points to 100000 on NB?

MadSci
10-07-2005, 03:43 PM
Don't touch the flag, it has cooties. :lol:

OverDose
10-07-2005, 04:16 PM
Don't touch the flag, it has cooties. :lol:

OK, you're ALL gonna feel old when you hear that not only do I still have the game installed in it's perfectly preserved state, but I STILL have that bind set "Don't be a noob...leave the flag alone!" :lol:

Ah, the memories...... :cry:

Hooters
10-07-2005, 08:27 PM
LOL Speaking of binds I still have my fav...

"Hooters Famous Fried Chicken at the objective... Don't touch the wings, but help yourselves to the breasts!"

That bind sure made defending the objective a little more fun during those 5+ hour MarketGarden games! :wink:

Mama H( . Y . )ters :D

batmanuel
10-07-2005, 08:53 PM
LOL Speaking of binds I still have my fav...

"Hooters Famous Fried Chicken at the objective... Don't touch the wings, but help yourselves to the breasts!"

That bind sure made defending the objective a little more fun during those 5+ hour MarketGarden games! :wink:

Mama H( . Y . )ters :D

haha... i don't remember that bind, but i do remember bouncing around the bridge for hours hoping someone actually gets close to it!

here's a good thread from the temp forums:
http://ccmforums.proboards25.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1070 551094

Naz
10-08-2005, 03:21 AM
if you have the links still somewhere, go to the http://www.archive.org/

The Way Back machine is really cool.

FOG VIII- Ze Enemy is Weakened!

http://web.archive.org/web/20030724081614/http://12.43.96.18/portal1/html/index.php

And

http://web.archive.org/web/20030422121804/http://12.43.96.18/portal1/html/index.php

-Naz

Bizman
10-08-2005, 02:22 PM
:D
Yeah sir..CCM really got me hooked on online gaming. Before CCM I was strictly a single player dude. Kristov kept my confidence level up as he would tell me to stay panzer...You are wasting those Axis in the canal!! My son also got his start here. Really fond memories. Thank goodness for Chef Boyardee! ;)
Biz "Deja Vu" Man

The Duke
10-12-2005, 11:11 AM
:D
Yeah sir..CCM really got me hooked on online gaming. Before CCM I was strictly a single player dude. Kristov kept my confidence level up as he would tell me to stay panzer...You are wasting those Axis in the canal!! My son also got his start here. Really fond memories. Thank goodness for Chef Boyardee! ;)
Biz "Deja Vu" Man

Kristov...wow, forgot about him. He was from Tulsa, which is where I was at the time, along w/ Scumbag who's still there.....

Hey Biz, can you drag that delinquent kid of yours out for the Old Skool night? Tell him I don't think he has the guts to play. :lol:

NVmySTYLE
10-12-2005, 03:37 PM
first off duke, I WAS NEVER A PANZER WHORE! i played lt and engineer when asked. when ccm started up i remember cpt, jt, art, what the and myself as original members but there could have been more. shortly after we tried the whole clan thing to no avail.....at that time miss killya, the cow people, kristov, wrigs etc etc came in. you knew the end was coming when the FX crew made us thier home away from home. if they would have stayed on thier own damn server ccm would still be alive and well today......charter wouldn't have sold, no other games would have come out, and babyheads might actually still be an american.

the best part of wolf were the mini squads we developed. it seemed like cpt, wrigs and myself would always meet at the same spot even though cpt and wrigs took a different route. if you killed gasser you better expect to find eggman, naz etc etc around as well. certain people ran with certain people so if i killed someone i knew who to look out for.

Bizman
10-12-2005, 05:09 PM
Nvy,
I remember the battles we had in the canal..you would take different routes all the time.. I panzer you..then you would nade me. Yes sir..Wrigs and Co would sure to follow after you cleared the path. :)
Those were some fun games. Rogue with his 14 ping...etc.
Are you gonna try to make it Nvy?
Biz

The Duke
10-12-2005, 05:18 PM
first off duke, I WAS NEVER A PANZER WHORE!

8)

Mad_Gasser
10-19-2005, 07:26 PM
I do not even remember and I did the hardware and software installs.

:?:

Do you ever see Art What the...?

How about JT?

How are they doing? You guys really got something big going at the time.

It was really weird when art shut everything down so suddenly. I can't believe that was like 3 years ago.
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Stockboy99
10-19-2005, 08:27 PM
Cursed Medics. I remember sniping SK 3 times in a row once.

<Bang>...revive...<Bang>....revive...<Bang>....revive.......

*sb99 gives the Roc_ a live grenade and leaves.

threeBs
10-30-2005, 11:37 PM
Yes - it was ds3 at first,great ping for central florida roadrunner, AND most importantly it was originally FF off. Which is why Farfignugen(RexDart) and myself ended up there. We could go engy, build the mg in the courtyard on mp_destruction, and spam away without worrying about killing teammates.

;]

CMontyBurns
10-31-2005, 10:31 AM
^^^^^^

holy long time not see/posting

;)