Half-Life 2 vs. Doom3

[Vygramul]

I worry for Half-Life 2.

I've been looking into it, because I did remember liking Half-Life for the little I played it. But one thing bugs me about H2. A lot of the graphics you see, like the welcome page of the official site, is CONCEPT ART, not actual game graphics. The screenshots aren't as nice. But D3's concept art and screenshots match in quality.

But that's just the first thing that struck me.

H2 screenies are still rife with unfinished wall textures. D3 screenies are complete. D3 is complete, and out soon if not already. H2 is obviously not finished, and I'd be surprised if it comes out as advertised in September. But if H2 can live up to some of the art that are better than the screenshots, it should be amazing. I want to get it, because the ambience of Doom and Half-Life is spine-tingling, but after all this waiting, I get the feeling that Half-Life 2 will be an out-of-date game. After all, how much can they change in the more than year late that it is? It's like getting Enemy Territory NOW.

[DrGreen]

I've been noticing that too.

[Chalybos]

Me three.

[SpongeBob]

I've been holding on to a free voucher for HL2 since one came with my video card a few months back. So, I'll compare them both. Still, I'm sure they'll both sell well. Doom will sell to the single player crowd, HL2 to the multiplayer crowd, as, out of the box, it won't be limited to 4 players like D3, and copies will sell to the crowd that like them both, like me.

[WaHoo]

I guess it will depend on how portable the actual engine will be. I don't care much about the actual Doom 3 as it is right now. What I want to see is the stuff that will be based on it. Hell, Q3a and Unreal served as the platform for almost each and every action shooter I've been playing over the past couple of years, while the only thing I remember that came from Half-Life was the Counter-Strike mod. Did I maybe miss anything significant? I think the entire genre belongs to idsoftware and epicgames. If it ain't Q3 or Unreal, it ain't worth a damn. Ok, Ghost Recon might have been the only exception, but even that would have drawn some major benefits from idsoftware's networking expertise.

[ignus]

i agree w/ wahoo on this, i loved HL single player, but online sucked. CS had its own following, which none of us here were probably involved in. i think HL2 will be a more enjoyable single player game when compared to Doom 3, at least to me, since i liked the story of HL1 way better than Doom 1 or 2. and graphics arent all that make a game.

[Iron Sauron]

They both put me to sleep.

HL2: Over hyped, really buggy (it crashed at start up at E3 :| ).

D3: Over hyped, small multiplayer.....

Oh, and HL2 has been in developement for
6 FREACKING YEARS

[Canadian Hick]

i agree w/ wahoo on this, i loved HL single player, but online sucked. CS had its own following, which none of us here were probably involved in. i think HL2 will be a more enjoyable single player game when compared to Doom 3, at least to me, since i liked the story of HL1 way better than Doom 1 or 2. and graphics arent all that make a game.
Given it's popularity that sounds like a safe assumption to make. :roll:
I'd pwn j00 any day in CS.

[Canadian Hick]

They both put me to sleep.

HL2: Over hyped, really buggy (it crashed at start up at E3 :| ).

D3: Over hyped, small multiplayer.....

Oh, and HL2 has been in developement for
6 FREACKING YEARS
I heard you the first time. If you're really not interested why say anything?

[SpongeBob]

They both put me to sleep.

HL2: Over hyped, really buggy (it crashed at start up at E3 :| ).

D3: Over hyped, small multiplayer.....

Oh, and HL2 has been in developement for
6 FREACKING YEARS
I heard you the first time. If you're really not interested why say anything?
No kidding. Sauron, how long did it take to produce that darn trilogy your so in love with???? A month? 6 Months? No! These things take time. And besides, the fools at Valve have no reason to rush, as long in the tooth as it is, Half Life, specifically Counterstrike is, by far, the most played online game, so, considering that popularity, they have no deadline to worry about. And really, both ID and Valve have done nothing to promote either game. ID released 1 trailer and a few screenshots, Valve has released even less, any hype you see is something certain gaming websites might have put out there.

[Iron Sauron]

There is a huge difference between a huge movie trilogy and a game...and an FPS of all types of games. Besides, LOTR didn't even take 6 years to film, edit, re-edit, rere-edit and release. name the best RPG, you've ever played, it didn't take mrore then 3 years, i garuntee that(with the exception of Everquest maybe). Now, we all no that RPGs have groteque amounts of content compared to FPS games, yet this one has taken twice as long as even the best game out there, and 2 years longer(pretty sure on this number) than a blockbuster trilogy of 3 1/.2 hour films.....and it still has unfinished textures and is buggy as 4311.

[Vygramul]

You do realize, Sauron, that the movies are based on a series of books?

I believe it is to those archaic things Sponge was referring.

[RuperT]

I'll be all over both of them, but I have higher hopes for HL2 in regards to its impact on my gaming habits. I fully expect id to produce a superior core technology with Doom, as with Quake before it (which was a progenitor of Halflife itself I believe). I fully expect a beautiful and visceral experience with Doom's single player and multiplayer, and what I've heard about their work in P2P networking is potentially revolutionary. That being said, I also expect HL2 to probably be the more thoughtful and compelling game, in single player and multiple. Concerning HL1 multiplayer, Ignus and Wahoo are quite delusional; HL pwned j00. HL has been the coca leaf of my personal online gaming habit since 1998; its mods have been euphoric brain candies that only lost their sweetness very recently. At the very least, I fell HL et al has done more than other brands to expand the genre beyond "futuristic factions settle their differences with homocidal murdersport teams who destroy each other with gigantic 'splosions!", which personally fills me with the urge to defecate! Also, I suspect Valve has learned a thing or two about multiplayer, and I'm hoping they can apply it in an interesting new way.
Hope springs eternal.
Finally, we must account for the omnipresent and considerable chance that any given game will suck; it may fail to live up to its ancestors accomplishments, or chart new and unexplored territories of suckness. By all accounts, Doom has already proven itself at least not to be steaming. Halflife 2 is still a completely unknown quantity.

[LilPuppy]

^^^^ Bah !! reason , I must be at the wrong spot...

Looking forward to both and expectations as always are high :D

[Iggy]

I had never played HL or a HL based game up until about a year ago when I bought a box set containing HL, Blue Shift, Opposing Force, CS, and TeamFortress. Even though by then they were many years old, they were still fun to play. True, the graphics aren't revolutionary anymore but it didn't matter. A good game is a good game period. When something as anticipated as Doom3 comes out you have to let the dust settle to find out if it is really any good. Will people go back and play it again and again? When will companies be able to start using the engine for their games?

I think HL2 will have more impact on the online gaming community because it is being designed for that purpose whereas D3 could be a mess.

[Angry Kid]

Me, I'm still waiting for the ultimate game Duke Nukem Forever! ;)

Ahhhhh, much better . . .

[Chalybos]

So does this mean you guys don't like Pac Man? :?

[Iron Sauron]

You do realize, Sauron, that the movies are based on a series of books?

I believe it is to those archaic things Sponge was referring.

Nah couldn't be. He even used the word trilogy, and LOTR was not a trilogy.

[Chairman_Kaga]

You do realize, Sauron, that the movies are based on a series of books?

I believe it is to those archaic things Sponge was referring.

Nah couldn't be. He even used the word trilogy, and LOTR was not a trilogy.
You really need to qualify what you are saying.

LotR the movies or the books?

Technically, neither are a trillogy. The book set was originally one book that was split into 3 b/c the publishers did not think the public would buy one huge book. Thus the abrupt and odd stopping points of the first 2 books. If the books are not a trillogy, the movies based on them cannot be a trillogy. Yes, there are 3 but it's one story broken into 3 parts. That does not make a trillogy.

The movie set took much more than 6 years to make if you count in the process of moving from idea to pitching the idea to a studiou to writing of the script, preproduction, searching for location, casting, etc...

Also, all filming was done in under 2 years since all films were shot simultaneously.

[Vygramul]

Actually, according to Tolkien, it was SIX books, not one.

[Vygramul]

But that's not really relevant. The truth is, whatever its intent, LOTR was released as a trilogy, and it satisfies the definition of such. To argue otherwise is to be extraordinarily pedantic. And I would know.

[Chalybos]

He's right. Look up pedantic in the dictionary, it shows a picture of Vyg.

[megaman]

He's right. Look up pedantic in the dictionary, it shows a picture of Vyg.

trhead hjiack. :lol:


anyhoo, yes, people, we will se a ms pac man with the doom 3 engine.

[Canadian Hick]

That being said, I also expect HL2 to probably be the more thoughtful and compelling game, in single player and multiple. Concerning HL1 multiplayer, Ignus and Wahoo are quite delusional; HL pwned j00. HL has been the coca leaf of my personal online gaming habit since 1998; its mods have been euphoric brain candies that only lost their sweetness very recently. At the very least, I fell HL et al has done more than other brands to expand the genre beyond "futuristic factions settle their differences with homocidal murdersport teams who destroy each other with gigantic 'splosions!", which personally fills me with the urge to defecate! Also, I suspect Valve has learned a thing or two about multiplayer, and I'm hoping they can apply it in an interesting new way.

Hehe. In all my time on CS I must have killed/been killed in every way possible. Knifing a guy who shot every bullet in his ak47 at me. I loved that game.

[SpongeBob]

Sauron, this isn't supposed to be a debate about the Lord of the Rings movies/books, fanboi. I was merely stating that the hype around these games isn't coming from the game manufacturers as much as it is from gamers websites and other sources. Mainly the die hard fans of each title. So keep your shirt on before some fool makes a darn "I like cake" post.

[Chalybos]

I like cake. :D

[Canadian Hick]

I like cake.

Damn you Chaly!

[Chalybos]

I like cake.

Damn you Chaly!
Somehow, I knew it would be a race against you. :lol:

[megaman]

I like cake.

Damn you Chaly!
Somehow, I knew it would be a race against you. :lol:

spaaaam cake

[Iron Sauron]

+1

[Iron Sauron]

I like cake

edit: crap double post....

[Chairman_Kaga]

Actually, according to Tolkien, it was SIX books, not one.
Well, 6 books but intended to be sold in one large volume. Same way the Bible has 66 books (I think) but is considered 1 book. Tolkien intended it to be one large epic novel.

[megaman]

Actually, according to Tolkien, it was SIX books, not one.
Well, 6 books but intended to be sold in one large volume. Same way the Bible has 66 books (I think) but is considered 1 book. Tolkien intended it to be one large epic bible.

:nod:

[Iron Sauron]

:lol:

[megaman]

i can't believe that only one person laughed at my edit. :|

[Vygramul]

It's actually quite appropriate. Tolkien meant it as a religious work, and in fact, lifted parts of the Catholic Eucharist almost word for word in parts. IIt's quite stunning because even when I read it when that in mind, I kept getting lost in the story and forgot to pay attention, and didn't see anything. But when I'm told to read certain passages, it stands out like a sore thumb. I'm sure there's a website somewhere that catalogues them.

[Iron Sauron]

8O

More than just a religious work, it was meant to be a ficticious mythology for almost all of Europe!!

[Vygramul]

8O

More than just a religious work, it was meant to be a ficticious mythology for almost all of Europe!!

er, what?

[SauerKraut]

8O

More than just a religious work, it was meant to be a ficticious mythology for almost all of Europe!! *

er, what?


1. What he [Vyg] said.


and


2. That IS the bible*

[Chalybos]

:lol: and :lol:

[Naz]

8O

More than just a religious work, it was meant to be a ficticious mythology for almost all of Europe!!

Actually for England which really had no acent mythos of its own so he borrowed stuff from the Vikings and other sources. The peoples that represent England are the hobbets.

-Naz

[Dr.Strangelove]

Back on topic.

Half Life was GREAT game IMO. The Team Fortress mod got me back into online gaming. Even the regular HL-MP was fun, I don't understand why people trash it. It was never meant to be like Doom. Anyway, I hope the sequel will be as good, I don't believe graphics were what made the first game great anyway, so whether the next installment is cutting-edge is besides the point. gameplay gameplay gameplay, how many times can I say gameplay?

How many times can I say cake?

[Dawg]

I never played HL or any of its mods (inc. CS). So there is no nostalgia factor for me with HL2. It will be a whole new experience.in the game story. I've yet to try D3, but hope to get a copy soon. My CPU is a little suspect but the rest of my machine should be able to hack it.

I expect to enjoy and appreciate both. The real test comes with the mods built on those games and the subsequent games that license their engines. I've heard rumors of a Quake4 engine, but I've no clue as to when it would be in production - could be many years away.

From what I read, the P2P MP technology was abandoned and iD went back to the client-server model. I doubt that Carmack et al have given up on the P2P technology, I think that they just wanted to avoid having its rollout bog down the D3 release.

Dawg

[Iggy]

HL2 should be better suited for online MP gaming. Even with some heavy modding, I'm not sure D3 will ever be a great MP game.

[Vygramul]

HL2 should be better suited for online MP gaming. Even with some heavy modding, I'm not sure D3 will ever be a great MP game.

Only if your bag is deathmatch. It would be an awesome deathmatch game.

[RuperT]

I never played HL or any of its mods (inc. CS). So there is no nostalgia factor for me with HL2. It will be a whole new experience.in the game story. I've yet to try D3, but hope to get a copy soon. My CPU is a little suspect but the rest of my machine should be able to hack it.

I expect to enjoy and appreciate both. The real test comes with the mods built on those games and the subsequent games that license their engines. I've heard rumors of a Quake4 engine, but I've no clue as to when it would be in production - could be many years away.

From what I read, the P2P MP technology was abandoned and iD went back to the client-server model. I doubt that Carmack et al have given up on the P2P technology, I think that they just wanted to avoid having its rollout bog down the D3 release.

Dawg
Personally, this innovation interests me beyond anything else DOOM has to offer. I think P2P could be a next great thing in MP.
I do hope they can patch in some decent implementation, and quickly; the fact that servers must have the CD in-drive is rather daft and will really stunt the MP community, IMO (not that they necessarily care over-much; have you seen how many copies Wal-Mart has?).

[wcfuriousgeorge]

hl2 vs doom III? After playing Doom III and now having access to the cs source beta, it's obvious to me that HL2 will TROUNCE doom when (wait for it) it's released.

I'll post up some info on the cs source beta or a movie if I can find time to run fraps while playing it.