Suddenly it all makes sense!

[Chalybos]

The Master Plan! (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=655&e=9&u=/oneworld/4536815561079359338) Screw the foreign countries, we'll burn 'em, then freeze 'em! And when push comes to shove over resources, who's better at kicking the crap out of other nations than us? Ooooooo, he's a wily one. :roll:

[laters]

According to the Milankovitch cycles, we are supposed to be entering an ice age right now, meaning the temperatures should be falling!! You know what this means? Our great, great, great, great grandchildren will have to wear air-conditioned space suits to survive 'normal' summer temperatures if they're going to do *anything* outside. Say good-bye to outdoor activities.

[DrGreen]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

[Chalybos]

http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/images/51683.jpg

Time to look into picking up a street sweeper. How's the Mossberg hold up under heavy use? :?

[SauerKraut]

Here ye Here ye. Step right up, read all about it. Night of the Comet creepies got you down? Wake up with your left leg missing and part of your neighbor's lunch? Well, worry no more. Get your Silo Home. Today! (http://www.silohome.com/)

[LilPuppy]

http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/images/51683.jpg

Time to look into picking up a street sweeper. How's the Mossberg hold up under heavy use? :?

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/backup_.jpg

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/_alive.jpg

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/_00buck.jpg


I said clean your room!!

[Chalybos]

:lol: Pup, I love those!

[Iron Sauron]

this is my kind of shotgun:
http://www.chaosreigns.com/guns/pics/200203/img_0210.jpg

[TedHershey]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

That's no way to think - we've survived five thousand years or so on earth, we can survive five thousand more if it must be so.

[Chalybos]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

That's no way to think - we've survived five thousand years or so on earth, we can survive five thousand more if it must be so.
We've been here a bit longer than 5k. But the problem is, we're killing our planet. That ain't a good thing. Got a fish tank? Clean it, get it nice and perfect, make sure the filter's clean and the air pump works well. Now, don't change the padding in the filter, let it get covered in s**t. Turn down the air bubbler, gradually, until it barely lets any air out. Now put the filter on a timer, slowly decreasing the amount of time that the filter is allowed to actually try and struggle against the steady build-up of waste material and slime. Oh, yeah, gradually increase the heater temp, while you're at it. In less than 2 months, you've gone from a beautiful tank with $400 in exotic fish to a cesspit with a couple of bloated corpses floating at the top, a bunch of skeletons on the bottom, and maybe, just maybe, a whole new strain of bacteria. The last time there was an ice age, the human race wasn't quite the same human species we are today. Shorter, stockier, bones twice the thickness of the one we have now, much more hair and a lot more muscle; we wouldn't survive an ice age once our technology begins to fail. And it would. Neanderthals went extinct 30,000 years ago, and although early Ho mo Sapiens survived the next ice age, the were definitely a hardier breed.

[Iron Sauron]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

That's no way to think - we've survived five thousand years or so on earth, we can survive five thousand more if it must be so.

i think humans( or a very similar version of them have been around for 10k.

[Chalybos]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

That's no way to think - we've survived five thousand years or so on earth, we can survive five thousand more if it must be so.

i think humans( or a very similar version of them have been around for 10k.
Longer than that, by far. Take a quick look. Depends on what your criteria are for modern man. (http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/h-sapiens-sapiens/h-sapiens-sapiens-a.html) If it's strictly physical, then go with the skull. If you mean technologically, then you need to be more specific.

[Iron Sauron]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

That's no way to think - we've survived five thousand years or so on earth, we can survive five thousand more if it must be so.

i think humans( or a very similar version of them have been around for 10k.
Longer than that, by far. Take a quick look. Depends on what your criteria are for modern man. (http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/h-sapiens-sapiens/h-sapiens-sapiens-a.html) If it's strictly physical, then go with the skull. If you mean technologically, then you need to be more specific.

physical is what i like to think seperates them. there are some REALLY unadvanced countries out there but they are still homo sapiens...i hope.

[TedHershey]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

That's no way to think - we've survived five thousand years or so on earth, we can survive five thousand more if it must be so.

i think humans( or a very similar version of them have been around for 10k.
Longer than that, by far. Take a quick look. Depends on what your criteria are for modern man. (http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/h-sapiens-sapiens/h-sapiens-sapiens-a.html) If it's strictly physical, then go with the skull. If you mean technologically, then you need to be more specific.

Was a JK at the expense of Strict Creationism- forgot the ;).

[SauerKraut]

Don't worry.
There will be a potable water shortage way before that.

Smile :D It'll all be over soon :|

That's no way to think - we've survived five thousand years or so on earth, we can survive five thousand more if it must be so.

i think humans( or a very similar version of them have been around for 10k.
Longer than that, by far. Take a quick look. Depends on what your criteria are for modern man. (http://www.wsu.edu:8001/vwsu/gened/learn-modules/top_longfor/timeline/h-sapiens-sapiens/h-sapiens-sapiens-a.html) If it's strictly physical, then go with the skull. If you mean technologically, then you need to be more specific.

Was a JK at the expense of Strict Creationism- forgot the ;).



well, if it's any consolation, I didn't take your comment serious.

:D



Modern man, in my non-anthropologistic branch of science opinion, starts with the Cro-mags or the H O M O sapiens sapiens.




BTW, that damn filter has to go...and soon. it's p1ssing me off, which reminds me of 1 more filter that needs to go.

[Geri_Arctic]

I'm going with the language gene, FOXP2, as the determining factor for modern human.

Although from a physical sense humans have changed little in the last 100thousand years, not all of that time was spent with the ability of complex verbal communication. That came approximately 50 thousand years ago with FOXP2.

Oh, and heres something of the last Ice Age

http://www.olympus.net/personal/ptmaccon/pif/time_lines/images/0018.jpg

[Angry Kid]

Some scientists disagree that the earth has yet to fully recover from the last major Ice Age because of the presence of polar ice caps. Their contention is the earth's "natural" state is with little or no ice caps.

The resulting 200' (~60m) rise in sea level would provide some nice beach-front property in Arkansas. :D

[Iron Sauron]

Some scientists disagree that the earth has yet to fully recover from the last major Ice Age because of the presence of polar ice caps. Their contention is the earth's "natural" state is with little or no ice caps.

The resulting 200' (~60m) rise in sealevel would provide some nice beach-fron property in Arkansas. :D

how close would thaat get to Ohio?

[laters]

Some scientists disagree that the earth has yet to fully recover from the last major Ice Age because of the presence of polar ice caps. Their contention is the earth's "natural" state is with little or no ice caps.

The resulting 200' (~60m) rise in sea level would provide some nice beach-front property in Arkansas. :D
You definitely get different opinions from different people, but there's no such a thing as a "natural" state considering the earth has constantly changed its continental configuration since its birth. In any case, you are right about your comment with regards to Arkansas. Several millions of years ago it was actually submerged under what the geologists call "epiric sea," and it will happen again in the long run, except this time it will be ahead of schedule. In fact once the Antarctica's ice is gone, the only dry land you'll see in North America will consist of the Cordillera (the chain of mountains running from BC, Canada to Sierra Nevada, California) and the Rockies.

I personally think the human race (as with most mammal species) will be wiped out long before that, though. Sharks will inherit the earth. They've been here since millions of years before dinosaurs walked the earth, and they'll continue to swim the oceans for our next humanoid decendants to see.

(edit)Actually, I think the Rockies are part of the Cordillera, and not Sierra Nevada. Crap... I'll have to look up my text book to confirm. It's been such a while since I got out of school. :D )

[Chairman_Kaga]

Some scientists disagree that the earth has yet to fully recover from the last major Ice Age because of the presence of polar ice caps. Their contention is the earth's "natural" state is with little or no ice caps.

The resulting 200' (~60m) rise in sea level would provide some nice beach-front property in Arkansas. :D
So you're saying I can get beach front and mountain property all in one shot? WHOOOOOOHOOOOOO, go global warming!!!

Think of the nice tan I'll have.

[Angry Kid]

You definitely get different opinions from different people, but there's no such a thing as a "natural" state considering the earth has constantly changed its continental configuration since its birth.

Agreed; that's why I used quotes. :) From what I recall - which is a dodgey prospect in itself since I can't recall the book's title - the assertion was that Earth has had more and longer periods of world-wide subtropical climate (sans ice caps) than temperate or cold (unless you ascribe to the "snowball Earth" theory).

[Chairman_Kaga]

You definitely get different opinions from different people, but there's no such a thing as a "natural" state considering the earth has constantly changed its continental configuration since its birth.

Agreed; that's why I used quotes. :) From what I recall - which is a dodgey prospect in itself since I can't recall the book's title - the assertion was that Earth has had more and longer periods of world-wide subtropical climate (sans ice caps) than temperate or cold (unless you ascribe to the "snowball Earth" theory).
So what this all boils down to is I don't have to move to get more than a 3 month boating season? I'm all for it. Moving to below the Mason Dixon line didn't look all that appealing. ;)