Wake up call...

[MASH]

What a disaster last nights gaming was for me...

Remember that thread in the old boards that complained about TS being a clic, and if you were not in it, people treated you like sh1t? Well, I experienced it first hand last night.

My mic is not working for some reason (don't know why), so I join TS anyway just to hear others. I play some BF with the usual suspects until the Dome takes a dump (BF servers do that from time to time). Feeling a little randy, I decide to hop over to CoD and hang out with the CoD guys for awhile.

Clearly, pings were a problem for everyone last night, not just me, so I pressed on through the CI's and chop. Obviously, I am a CoD n00b, and even more of a DEM n00b, so when a couple of maps came up that I was having trouble finding the obj's, I typed questions in global chat (granted, not the best method of communicating, but the only one available to me.) What few responses I did get were trite "Look at your compass" and "RTFM!". Certainly NOT helpful...

NV and Puppy have always gone WAY out of their way to help me, and I assume to help others, so nothing but props for them, but do new guys, particularly the ones not on TS, really get the same even treatment? Would I have gotten some !forgives and not gotten kicked had I been in TS joining in the laughter? Sadly, I think so...

The worst thing about last night was hearing the people on TS absolutely slam me all night... Now, I am certainly one for ribbing others, Lord knows that, but I really got the sense that I was not welcome in the CoD clic. The last round I played, dogged by my 450+ ping and lack of map knowledge, I finished with like 1 kill and 8 deaths... hardly a 1337 showing. Then I hear someone on TS say "OK, you guys take MASH this time. We had him last time!". :roll:

That's when I quit.

Now I am not exactly the most sensitive guy around, and definitely give more than I get, but that really sucked. And if it sucked for me, someone I thought had some cred in the CCM/VSF world, imagine how bad it is for the new people coming to our little corner of cyberspace.

This is not just a CoD problem, and if this belongs in a different area, I apologize, but last night was a real wake up call for me, folks... I am probably as guilty as the next guy, so I take as much blame as anyone, but I really feel we need to help and encourage others to play and have fun. That is what will help our community grow. I remember that "Are we n00b friendly" thread a while back. I scoffed at it then, but I guess you have to see it with your own eyes...

Anyway, there it is.

[JTFazz]

**JT swells with righteous and pompous gratification in realizing that yet another has come to see the light**

I have always said that TS had this impact, but I was always told to go play in traffic. So, I decided "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." Now I can clique with the best of 'em.

"Who are you, you non-TeamSpeak flotsam? You think you want a piece of me? Watch me ignore you... muahahahaha..."

:lol:

Sorry, MASH... I feel your pain. We tried to keep you in the loop playing BF...

[Chairman_Kaga]

I was not on TS last night so I can't speak to anyone's intent in their comments.

I can, however, speak to n00b treatment as I am a CoD n00b as well. I have actually heard a couple people on TS ask to have a player kicked b/c they suck. They weren't breaking any rules, just b/c they sucked. That's pretty bad guys.

This is not CoD specific either. In the past 2 weeks, I've heard that on DC too. I honestly do not recognize most voices on TS and I cannot see my TS screen so I don't know who made any of the comments. In neither case was the player actually kicked.


MASH, as for getting kicked for TKs. The bot also tracks team damage as TK points. Not everyone knows that and not eveyone knows they are getting hit by a teammate so they don't know to !forgive. I make it a habbit every few deaths (read every few seconds) to !forgive everyone. You can try a !info to see who hasn't forgiven you.

Also, with the asterisks in your name, NV couldn't clear points for you. I chatted you situation last night (wasn't on TS) and he chatted back that he tried but couldn't.

Pings last night on Dawnville<?> were horrible. It was like a slide show for me. Pings kept showing up 300+ for everyone.


I will say that for the most part, I was warmly welcomed into the CoD game server. I did have the benefit of first playing when there were only 8-10 people on so NV and Pup could help me out a bit when there wasn't a lot of action going on.

I did not see your chat requests for help. I do try to help with the things I understand both here and in DC. Just ask people on Weapons bunker who are waiting for me to get in a humvee while I'm busy typing "we need to blow up the large bunkers in the enemy base with C4" in reply to someones "what do we do?". Next time you attach to a DEM server, hit enter (I think) and follow the tutorial that the mod maker included. It is actually helpful.

I'm a CoD moron, but get on my team, I'll help you out. I even promise not to knife you in the back. :roll:

[LilPuppy]

Sorry to hear that...I know I forget to type !forgive all more in DEM due to the action..
Now the non-help part I don't agree with(them doing or not) , but in fairness to the TS players unless your dead you do have a tendency to ignore the global chat .

Now as fair as someone saying "you take Mash" c'mon you have to expect that, normally you slam the game (1 out of 15 post or comments may be positive) and I'm sure that is was more than likely meant in jest....everyone says when a players mic. isn't working he can he us but can't respond to our wisecracks...hehehe..so I don't think it was a disrespectful..

[Dawg]

One of the problems with the text chats in CoD is that the players that are alive cannot see the chats from the dead players. Obviously, this is designed to prevent unscrupolous assistance but it also makes it difficult to get questions answered. You have to wait for some other people to die before you can ask questions about the gameplay.

The state of the VSF CoD server is constantly in flux. There is the UDP bot as well as the shellshock mod. It is rediculous to expect a player to know how all this stuff works when they first come to a server. Some folks are not only new to the game but to online gaming as well. The CCM/VSF regulars can be expected to pick things up quickly but they shouldn't be hassled and rediculed as they learn. That only discourages their effort.

I can't say that I've really seen too much clique-ish behavior resulting from TS, though I imagine its out there. I know that when I was the CoD n00b and frequented other servers I had to figure the chat thing on my own but then I got my questions answered. Now I'm 1337, ok, maybe not 1337 - but I don't suck outright anymore, and I try to answer questions when I see them. For questions like "How do I put colors in my name?" I'd rather just direct the player to these forums and let him ask here. But if someone asks, "What are we doing on this map?" my first response is going to be to hit the TAB key and you will see your team objective at the top of the score board. If I'm still alive, I'm not going to take the time to type that unless the guy is on my team! ;)

In general, I try to treat the n00bs with great care and help them out, regardless if they are complete n00bs or VSF gamers just starting out in the game. Of course, I haven't been able to make it onto the server during the peak usage times lately so I wasn't around to observe what you describe. I imagine it appeared different from their perspective. Yet another example of how important perception is to reality. I hope that this doesn't put you off on the game or the server. May I suggest that until you replace your mic and can talk smack back at the TS jokers, just play without TS. You will probably find it more enjoyable.

Dawg

[JTFazz]

<--- Not a n00b, but is n00bish.

[Crazy Hobbit]

:(

Sorry to hear you treated like that MASH.

Hope you get your mic working again. You did well communicating in BF1942 & it was kinda cool seeing your responses and reactions to the in-game action even though you couldn't actually talk.

[Iggy]

One of the things that absolutely sucks about TS is that it circumvents the game's 'anti-cheat' voice and text chat block for dead players. I cringe every time I hear someone telling the other players that so and so is around the corner or someone spectating while dead and checking the map for enemies and reporting back their positions. It's not fair, it's not right, and I don't like it. I am sure others don't feel it's wrong so I doubt it stops.

/end rant

[JTFazz]

One of the things that absolutely sucks about TS is that it circumvents the game's 'anti-cheat' voice and text chat block for dead players. I cringe every time I hear someone telling the other players that so and so is around the corner or someone spectating while dead and checking the map for enemies and reporting back their positions. It's not fair, it's not right, and I don't like it. I am sure others don't feel it's wrong so I doubt it stops.

/end rant

I have thought the same thing playing CoD... I would give away only where and who killed me, while others would float about in spec mode after they died and give away others positions...

This is especially hypocritical after the incessant whining and crying some of the same players did about the free look cam on BF1942... which I still assert was to just p*** me off anyway.

[Canadian Hick]

One of the things that absolutely sucks about TS is that it circumvents the game's 'anti-cheat' voice and text chat block for dead players. I cringe every time I hear someone telling the other players that so and so is around the corner or someone spectating while dead and checking the map for enemies and reporting back their positions. It's not fair, it's not right, and I don't like it. I am sure others don't feel it's wrong so I doubt it stops.

/end rant

Especially after the incessant whining and crying many of the same players did about the free look cam on BF1942... which I still assert was to just p*** me off anyway.
He's on to us. :D

[NVmySTYLE]

john you got kicked for accumulated team damage, it's a bot generated 2 minute kick. most times as soon as i see someone kicked (reg or noob) i clear thier points. those damn *'s in your name act as wildcards so there is no way in hell i can clear yours. i also have trouble clearing aj's because the name is so short the bot looks at the a and j as seperate characters. i've asked through ts, global chat, and the use of server messages for people to use the !forgive all command with very few actually doing it. last night on pavlov i used a server message that everyone sees and i can think of just 4 regs that did it.

as far as DEM goes, the version we run now has a short 3 minute tutorial at the beginning.

[NVmySTYLE]

oh yeah, n00b friendliness. i for one greet returning n00bs with a server message. when clans come on i welcome them to the server in the same manner.

[NVmySTYLE]

I was not on TS last night so I can't speak to anyone's intent in their comments.

I can, however, speak to n00b treatment as I am a CoD n00b as well. I have actually heard a couple people on TS ask to have a player kicked b/c they suck. They weren't breaking any rules, just b/c they sucked. That's pretty bad guys.

for the record, i have never kicked anyone because they suck. like kaga i've heard the banter on TS and don't really like it either. we were all n00bs at one time or another and there are people of every skill level in the game and on TS.
i think for the most part people forget this is just a game, we all play it for amusement.

[NVmySTYLE]

One of the things that absolutely sucks about TS is that it circumvents the game's 'anti-cheat' voice and text chat block for dead players. I cringe every time I hear someone telling the other players that so and so is around the corner or someone spectating while dead and checking the map for enemies and reporting back their positions. It's not fair, it's not right, and I don't like it. I am sure others don't feel it's wrong so I doubt it stops.

/end rant

spectator mode in DEM is team only. if the consenus is we need that for all modes then it will be set.

[Cranky]

I am a NOOB also :cry: I have gone on the VSF server a couple times and everyones been real nice. Its hard for me not to feel like a dork when i realize how badly i suck at the game compared to the REG who play. So i mostly play else where unless VSF isn't that busy and then i go on. I wouldn't say that VSF isn't NOOB freindly . I would just say its hard for NOOBS to compete with the REG.

[Wrigs]

One of the things that absolutely sucks about TS is that it circumvents the game's 'anti-cheat' voice and text chat block for dead players. I cringe every time I hear someone telling the other players that so and so is around the corner or someone spectating while dead and checking the map for enemies and reporting back their positions. It's not fair, it's not right, and I don't like it. I am sure others don't feel it's wrong so I doubt it stops.

/end rant

spectator mode in DEM is team only. if the consenus is we need that for all modes then it will be set.

I have gotten used to team only on other servers, but i'll do what the majority wants

[Wrigs]

I was not on TS last night so I can't speak to anyone's intent in their comments.

I can, however, speak to n00b treatment as I am a CoD n00b as well. I have actually heard a couple people on TS ask to have a player kicked b/c they suck. They weren't breaking any rules, just b/c they sucked. That's pretty bad guys.

for the record, i have never kicked anyone because they suck. like kaga i've heard the banter on TS and don't really like it either. we were all n00bs at one time or another and there are people of every skill level in the game and on TS.
i think for the most part people forget this is just a game, we all play it for amusement.

Yeah , there's been banter like that. Ppl were complaing about soemone the other night and i had to keep reminding everyone...It's his forst time playing...relax.. It took awhile but they did. If you don't like that person, go a different direction, let them suck on a part of the map u are not near

[LionRampant]

I too cringe when dead players guide their friends into the path of an enemy via TS. It's not very sportsmanlike IMO, but when it does happen, I prefer to remain quiet.

I also despise the 'RTFM' attitude. Usually when someone asks a question I can answer, I'll broadcast with Rcon, just in case there's someone else out there wondering the same thing. To respond with 'RTFM' is not helpful and it's definitely not constructive. So, if someone who is new to the server asks a perfectly valid question, please refrain from answering unless you are friendly and can lend a hand with your response.

[Bizman]

:(
Now you know why I never join...I need luvin, not rejection! ;)
Sorry that happened to you Mash, hopefully the word will spread and we can get back to being the community we would like to emulate and eventually become (again). Lets you and I set up a server and we can tk the crap out of each other ;)
Cya soon,
Biz

[Iron Sauron]

i think one rason asking bout DEM in chat gets less tha helpfull responses half the time is becuse to explain it properly, that would mean ALOT of typing. just my 2 cents. and hope your next CoD experience is better.

[CMontyBurns]

i think you all should just come back to the light side and play some ET or RTCW - can't we all just get along

[Canadian Hick]

i think you all should just come back to the light side and play some ET or RTCW - can't we all just get along
Or you could get a new computer. :D
Please get a new computer. :(

[CMontyBurns]

i think you all should just come back to the light side and play some ET or RTCW - can't we all just get along
Or you could get a new computer. :D
Please get a new computer. :(
Girlfriend moving in with me in April... will be getting new computer before than... part of our deal (that and I will need a hobby to keep myself busy while she TLC's my apartment...

[batmanuel]

i think you all should just come back to the light side and play some ET or RTCW - can't we all just get along
Or you could get a new computer. :D
Please get a new computer. :(
Girlfriend moving in with me in April... will be getting new computer before than... part of our deal (that and I will need a hobby to keep myself busy while she TLC's my apartment...

Been nice hanging out with you, Monty, and gaming with you. We'll see you less & less frequently, until one day it's just a bot that replies "Mr Burns will be with you shortly, as soon as he's finished putting the toilet seat down." :D

Seriously though, I've often wondered about whether or not people talked about where the enemy was on TS, and now I know! I don't think that's all that fair...

And I'm sure I've been the target of many jokes on TS, so I'll just assume you guys rag on my bad CoD play (especially lately) and get on with the game :)

[LionRampant]

From my experience, TS is not used to give away an enemy position on the VSF server, especially not a regular's. I can't say without doubt that it has never been done. In fact, I think I remember one case where it was, but no point in crying over spilled milk.

In the name of sportsmanship (pfft), I wish I wouldn't hear it again.

[Iggy]

From my experience, TS is not used to give away an enemy position on the VSF server, especially not a regular's.

That's a very good point you make there, especially if we are talking about being n00b friendly. Playing with TS vs. playing without makes a pretty big difference. It likely doesn't occur to people who don't use TS or are new to the server but it is an advantage the regs have over them.

[SpongeBob]

From my experience, TS is not used to give away an enemy position on the VSF server, especially not a regular's.

That's a very good point you make there, especially if we are talking about being n00b friendly. Playing with TS vs. playing without makes a pretty big difference. It likely doesn't occur to people who don't use TS or are new to the server but it is an advantage the regs have over them.
Simple solution, if players actively used the separate channels on teamspeak, you'd get more parity of regulars on either side and each team would have the "advantage" TS gives them. (sometimes all the yapping is a disadvantage) I really dislike seeing players switch teams just to be on the same team as the guys in TS, I'd rather see players switch channels in TS to be on the other side. It's simple to bind keys to do this. And rather than talk out of both sides of my mouth, I'll begin implementing this tactic the next time I play.

[Ifurita]

:( for Mash. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience

[BabyHeads]

What a disaster last nights gaming was for me...

Remember that thread in the old boards that complained about TS being a clic, and if you were not in it, people treated you like sh1t? Well, I experienced it first hand last night.

My mic is not working for some reason (don't know why), so I join TS anyway just to hear others. I play some BF with the usual suspects until the Dome takes a dump (BF servers do that from time to time). Feeling a little randy, I decide to hop over to CoD and hang out with the CoD guys for awhile.

Clearly, pings were a problem for everyone last night, not just me, so I pressed on through the CI's and chop. Obviously, I am a CoD n00b, and even more of a DEM n00b, so when a couple of maps came up that I was having trouble finding the obj's, I typed questions in global chat (granted, not the best method of communicating, but the only one available to me.) What few responses I did get were trite "Look at your compass" and "RTFM!". Certainly NOT helpful...

NV and Puppy have always gone WAY out of their way to help me, and I assume to help others, so nothing but props for them, but do new guys, particularly the ones not on TS, really get the same even treatment? Would I have gotten some !forgives and not gotten kicked had I been in TS joining in the laughter? Sadly, I think so...

The worst thing about last night was hearing the people on TS absolutely slam me all night... Now, I am certainly one for ribbing others, Lord knows that, but I really got the sense that I was not welcome in the CoD clic. The last round I played, dogged by my 450+ ping and lack of map knowledge, I finished with like 1 kill and 8 deaths... hardly a 1337 showing. Then I hear someone on TS say "OK, you guys take MASH this time. We had him last time!". :roll:

That's when I quit.

Now I am not exactly the most sensitive guy around, and definitely give more than I get, but that really sucked. And if it sucked for me, someone I thought had some cred in the CCM/VSF world, imagine how bad it is for the new people coming to our little corner of cyberspace.

This is not just a CoD problem, and if this belongs in a different area, I apologize, but last night was a real wake up call for me, folks... I am probably as guilty as the next guy, so I take as much blame as anyone, but I really feel we need to help and encourage others to play and have fun. That is what will help our community grow. I remember that "Are we n00b friendly" thread a while back. I scoffed at it then, but I guess you have to see it with your own eyes...

Anyway, there it is.

http://members.cox.net/ibfleep/rodney_king.jpg
Can't we all just......get along???

[CMontyBurns]

What a disaster last nights gaming was for me...

Remember that thread in the old boards that complained about TS being a clic, and if you were not in it, people treated you like sh1t? Well, I experienced it first hand last night.

My mic is not working for some reason (don't know why), so I join TS anyway just to hear others. I play some BF with the usual suspects until the Dome takes a dump (BF servers do that from time to time). Feeling a little randy, I decide to hop over to CoD and hang out with the CoD guys for awhile.

Clearly, pings were a problem for everyone last night, not just me, so I pressed on through the CI's and chop. Obviously, I am a CoD n00b, and even more of a DEM n00b, so when a couple of maps came up that I was having trouble finding the obj's, I typed questions in global chat (granted, not the best method of communicating, but the only one available to me.) What few responses I did get were trite "Look at your compass" and "RTFM!". Certainly NOT helpful...

NV and Puppy have always gone WAY out of their way to help me, and I assume to help others, so nothing but props for them, but do new guys, particularly the ones not on TS, really get the same even treatment? Would I have gotten some !forgives and not gotten kicked had I been in TS joining in the laughter? Sadly, I think so...

The worst thing about last night was hearing the people on TS absolutely slam me all night... Now, I am certainly one for ribbing others, Lord knows that, but I really got the sense that I was not welcome in the CoD clic. The last round I played, dogged by my 450+ ping and lack of map knowledge, I finished with like 1 kill and 8 deaths... hardly a 1337 showing. Then I hear someone on TS say "OK, you guys take MASH this time. We had him last time!". :roll:

That's when I quit.

Now I am not exactly the most sensitive guy around, and definitely give more than I get, but that really sucked. And if it sucked for me, someone I thought had some cred in the CCM/VSF world, imagine how bad it is for the new people coming to our little corner of cyberspace.

This is not just a CoD problem, and if this belongs in a different area, I apologize, but last night was a real wake up call for me, folks... I am probably as guilty as the next guy, so I take as much blame as anyone, but I really feel we need to help and encourage others to play and have fun. That is what will help our community grow. I remember that "Are we n00b friendly" thread a while back. I scoffed at it then, but I guess you have to see it with your own eyes...

Anyway, there it is.

http://members.cox.net/ibfleep/rodney_king.jpg

Can't we all just......get along???
damn... that's my line..

[NVmySTYLE]

yes it is fun. it's also rewarding when n00bs keep coming back because the admins welcome them, sometimes, they even join our forums and become active members.
who would have thunk that kindness, courtesy, and understanding attracts people to the server and the community?

[Chairman_Kaga]

From my experience, TS is not used to give away an enemy position on the VSF server, especially not a regular's.

That's a very good point you make there, especially if we are talking about being n00b friendly. Playing with TS vs. playing without makes a pretty big difference. It likely doesn't occur to people who don't use TS or are new to the server but it is an advantage the regs have over them.
Simple solution, if players actively used the separate channels on teamspeak, you'd get more parity of regulars on either side and each team would have the "advantage" TS gives them. (sometimes all the yapping is a disadvantage) I really dislike seeing players switch teams just to be on the same team as the guys in TS, I'd rather see players switch channels in TS to be on the other side. It's simple to bind keys to do this. And rather than talk out of both sides of my mouth, I'll begin implementing this tactic the next time I play.
Unfortunately SB, I think you'll end up in a TS channel on your own quite a bit. I'm not saying it's a bad plan. Just that a lot will not likely follow suit. Also, although it's the way TS is meant to be used, this will not clear up the issue with people giving away positions. In fact, it might make it worse as you won'thave to worry about the other team listening in.

I try to limit my "he's over there" TS comments to people who were in my FOV when I died. Yes, that's still more than the game makers intended as a dead man tells no tales but... And, in the interest of fairplay to all, I will try to quell my urge to divulge such information. UNLESS it's MASH and he just needs to die. :) I do not use the free cam to sniper hunt or find targets for anyone.

Personally, in CoD, I have never selected my team. I always use the Auto Assign option. In DC, unless teams get lopsided, I play the game on the side that the server assigns me when I connect. I think that is only fair way to do it with some folks being on TS and others not.

[NVmySTYLE]

From my experience, TS is not used to give away an enemy position on the VSF server, especially not a regular's.

That's a very good point you make there, especially if we are talking about being n00b friendly. Playing with TS vs. playing without makes a pretty big difference. It likely doesn't occur to people who don't use TS or are new to the server but it is an advantage the regs have over them.
Simple solution, if players actively used the separate channels on teamspeak, you'd get more parity of regulars on either side and each team would have the "advantage" TS gives them. (sometimes all the yapping is a disadvantage) I really dislike seeing players switch teams just to be on the same team as the guys in TS, I'd rather see players switch channels in TS to be on the other side. It's simple to bind keys to do this. And rather than talk out of both sides of my mouth, I'll begin implementing this tactic the next time I play.


most of the regs auto pick thier team so sometimes switching ts channels is a problem especially for those like wrigs =)

[Chairman_Kaga]

yes it is fun. it's also rewarding when n00bs keep coming back because the admins welcome them, sometimes, they even join our forums and become active members.
who would have thunk that kindness, courtesy, and understanding attracks people to the server and the community?
I think the big wonder here is that it's YOU doing the courtesy, kindness thing. :D

[Iron Sauron]

I do not use the free cam to sniper hunt or find targets for anyone.



a favorite tactic of mine. but i use it to find targfets for me. not give away their position.

[Chairman_Kaga]

I do not use the free cam to sniper hunt or find targets for anyone.



a favorite tactic of mine. but i use it to find targfets for me. not give away their position.
I use that time to make popcorn and grab another beer. :)

Unless it's one of the two CATs. Then I use that time to plan their horrible painfull death. ;)

[Iron Sauron]

I do not use the free cam to sniper hunt or find targets for anyone.



a favorite tactic of mine. but i use it to find targfets for me. not give away their position.
I use that time to make popcorn and grab another beer. :)

Unless it's one of the two CATs. Then I use that time to plan their horrible painfull death. ;)

ah yes. a raptor should be on top of the food cahin, followed by a dog, THEN cats. instead...here..its the other way around. :wink:

[Dawg]

We're really going off on a tanget here but...

I use TS when I can* and when I figure on being on more than a few rounds but I am not very talkative. I don't give away positions unless the target is idle/AFK. Its pretty frustrating to be waiting in limbo while one team hunts the last guy for two minutes only to find him idle in spawn. I don't think Naz has set up separate CoD channels on his TS server so that is really a moot point. I consider TS to just be a bunch of guys in a room together talking and playing a game.

Its pretty cool to use at the beginning of rounds to make plans and whatnot. It also supplements the voice chats in the game without giving away position. Its not entirely fair since it does give the TS users a slight advantage, but this is balanced by both sides having TS players and being able to listen in on the chats of the enemy.

Using spec-mode to spot for your teammates is pretty unsportsmanlike. But if you are speccing playerX and see something in his view that he didn't seem to notice, I don't think it is so bad to say "Did ya see that guy to the right?"

Dawg

*When I'm on "puppy-duty" I have to keep an ear out for trouble so I can't use the headphones.

[Geri_Arctic]

To get back on the topic, I can only apologize for anything I may have done, or not done, in contributing to make you feel that way MASH. It wasn't intentional.

I know I wrote the "look at your compass" bit, but didn't end up checking to see when we were both dead or not together. That could have led to crossed messages for the follow up, which I typed in bits and peices.

On that ribbing part, you know that the people that get razzed the most are those that are liked (and respected) the most. I think it's because we feel more comfortable with you. Sometimes it gets too much though.

[Rogue]

I have only one thing to say about this matter.

IT'S MY FAULT!!!!

That is all.

-Rogue

[SpongeBob]

Unfortunately SB, I think you'll end up in a TS channel on your own quite a bit. I'm not saying it's a bad plan. Just that a lot will not likely follow suit. Also, although it's the way TS is meant to be used, this will not clear up the issue with people giving away positions. In fact, it might make it worse as you won't have to worry about the other team listening in.

I try to limit my "he's over there" TS comments to people who were in my FOV when I died. Yes, that's still more than the game makers intended as a dead man tells no tales but... And, in the interest of fair play to all, I will try to quell my urge to divulge such information. UNLESS it's MASH and he just needs to die. :) I do not use the free cam to sniper hunt or find targets for anyone.

Personally, in CoD, I have never selected my team. I always use the Auto Assign option. In DC, unless teams get lopsided, I play the game on the side that the server assigns me when I connect. I think that is only fair way to do it with some folks being on TS and others not.


most of the regs auto pick their team so sometimes switching ts channels is a problem especially for those like wrigs =)

Both of you bring up the fact that you don't always choose your team, fine, neither do I all the time in BF or whatever, the game being played is irrelevant for this situation, unless your ability to switch channels in TS is due to a lack of knowledge of how to bind a key to do it for you (a la Coco) and the bottom line is you just don't want to make en effort, then that is just plain disappointing. Sure, you want to talk with your friends, so do I, but if it causes a legitimate beef over fair play or what-not, then I say make that effort and get in a separate channel. Granted, Batmanuel brought up the question of fair play between those on TS and those off TS, I won't argue that, the added ability to voice tactics in real time cannot be beat, but I'm sure many of times when clan mates hop on a server, many of them are using a TS type program, there's no way to stop it. TS's advantages transcend the game itself too, giving you a little insight into the psyche of the folks you spend so many hours gaming with, in Sauerkraut's case, perhaps too much insight. But I will say, without TS, I'd probably not be playing these games much at all, not due to the tactical use, but the social environment is adds.
Fine, maybe I'll be alone in the Axis or Opposition channel, but when others do hop in I'll be happy, and when they don't, I'll curse them behind their backs, or ears, I guess, and laugh to myself, all alone, in my padded cell.

[Wrigs]

I'm clueless :( :lol: :lol:

[Chairman_Kaga]

SB, I think you missed my point.

The problem in question here, as I see it anyway, is the use of TS to relay information to a teammate that you are unable to relay in the game b/c you are currently dead.

ie I'm dead, one opposing player left running with the documents and my team does not know where he is. I spec through the players or free cam and locate and relay that information to my teammates on TS. Player with docs has no idea. My team closes in and wins.

The point I was trying to make is that being in seperate channels isn't going to stop a teammate from telling another teammate where an opponent is using free cam or spec'ing. Actually, everyone in the same channel will curb that or at the very least, privy both teams to the same information and they can call you on the "illegal" use of TS.

IMHO, using seperate TS channels is ONLY good for better tactics.

My point about using auto assign teams or just going with what BF assigns me to was not addressing the subject of switching channels. It was directed at the idea that TS was a clique and that everyone on TS wanted to play on the same team.

[LilPuppy]

Auto-assign is used by most regs.The guys on TS will switch to make it even first because it's easier to say OMG TEAMS...then to type it and hope somebody see's it.No I haven't experienced a "get on my team cause your on TS syndrome " at all.As far as giving positions away..I've done a few times but really try not to(and a couple of times a week isn't bad) and it should not be done and when it does happen the offending person gets told not too...Mash your making more out of this(rephrase) your looking to much into this...the sarcastic remarks may have came ( I don't recall anything to be upset about)but c'mon you dish out sacarsm too(oh good I get to wait 3 mins.)....gotta remember alot of ET players there now Mash maybe they remembered something ... :P ..


*EDIT....yes the clique idea of wanting to play on same team is crap and I'll it that cause I've spent alot of time on that server and on TS and it has NOT happened once

[Bokchoi]

My condolences MASH. I wasn't on TS last night but naz gave me the TS info tonight and I got on, people acts just as I thought they would, same as they act when I wasn't on TS. But that's just an hour or so. So my experience doesn't count.

As for helping n00bs, it really depends on my mood but I help noobs in general. But for DEM, I recall tonight that I told a noob to take the 3 mins tutorial because I wasn't gonna explain the whole mod and time is crucial in DEM. That's the rudest thing I had said to a noob.

As for kicking noobs, I wouldn't kick noobs because they suck unless it was me, I'd kick myself if I physically can. I'd always kick tk'er and cheaters if I have the power to do so.

As for giving position away when you're dead, I've done it before, but it's mostly for jokes or when somebody is afk. Hell I was never on TS with you guys before tonight! It was fun to say hi to you guys/girls.

As for G.I.Jay, please play on the vsf server! I welcome noobs! They're the ones that give me good score! I apologize for saying Cranky > G.I.Jay, I thought I was friend enough with you to say those things.

[MadSci]

I have partial admin rights on the CoD channel, time for me to take some action :roll: :P

[RuperT]

Well, wouldn't you know it; just when it's getting fiery, Activision goes and releases a patch for CoD, apparently including the ability to restrict free camera and enemy spectating.
Bunny-hopping fools will be disappointed too, I think.

[Bizman]

8O
And I just got a fresh supply of carrots too!! Be careful..vewwy vewwy careful.
Biz

[SoterioN]

What a disaster last nights gaming was for me...

Remember that thread in the old boards that complained about TS being a clic, and if you were not in it, people treated you like sh1t? Well, I experienced it first hand last night.

My mic is not working for some reason (don't know why), so I join TS anyway just to hear others. I play some BF with the usual suspects until the Dome takes a dump (BF servers do that from time to time). Feeling a little randy, I decide to hop over to CoD and hang out with the CoD guys for awhile.

Clearly, pings were a problem for everyone last night, not just me, so I pressed on through the CI's and chop. Obviously, I am a CoD n00b, and even more of a DEM n00b, so when a couple of maps came up that I was having trouble finding the obj's, I typed questions in global chat (granted, not the best method of communicating, but the only one available to me.) What few responses I did get were trite "Look at your compass" and "RTFM!". Certainly NOT helpful...

NV and Puppy have always gone WAY out of their way to help me, and I assume to help others, so nothing but props for them, but do new guys, particularly the ones not on TS, really get the same even treatment? Would I have gotten some !forgives and not gotten kicked had I been in TS joining in the laughter? Sadly, I think so...

The worst thing about last night was hearing the people on TS absolutely slam me all night... Now, I am certainly one for ribbing others, Lord knows that, but I really got the sense that I was not welcome in the CoD clic. The last round I played, dogged by my 450+ ping and lack of map knowledge, I finished with like 1 kill and 8 deaths... hardly a 1337 showing. Then I hear someone on TS say "OK, you guys take MASH this time. We had him last time!". :roll:

That's when I quit.

Now I am not exactly the most sensitive guy around, and definitely give more than I get, but that really sucked. And if it sucked for me, someone I thought had some cred in the CCM/VSF world, imagine how bad it is for the new people coming to our little corner of cyberspace.

This is not just a CoD problem, and if this belongs in a different area, I apologize, but last night was a real wake up call for me, folks... I am probably as guilty as the next guy, so I take as much blame as anyone, but I really feel we need to help and encourage others to play and have fun. That is what will help our community grow. I remember that "Are we n00b friendly" thread a while back. I scoffed at it then, but I guess you have to see it with your own eyes...

Anyway, there it is.


For the record, 3 things:

1. I said that.
2. It was in jest and intended for laughs, something I like to do (he heeeeee, uh you want some gum?), and I'm sorry it added to your frustration - it was not intended to insult you, merely to take a cheap shot that I'd gladly take at anyone in this community,... feel loved.
3. There is no #3

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[Dr.Strangelove]

I am a NOOB also :cry: I have gone on the VSF server a couple times and everyones been real nice. Its hard for me not to feel like a dork when i realize how badly i suck at the game compared to the REG who play. So i mostly play else where unless VSF isn't that busy and then i go on. I wouldn't say that VSF isn't NOOB freindly . I would just say its hard for NOOBS to compete with the REG.

Don't be so modest, you had some decent performances last night! :)

Keep fragging, and slap Jay around a little bit too!

[Dr.Strangelove]

Just a note. There were some comments about people refusing to even teams on the CoD server. I refute this. Most regs on TS whent hey notice an unbalanced situtation will mention it, and any dead players on TS readily switch sides to even 'em up for the next round. No one joins a team just to be on the same side as other regs, basically because there are always enough on to make this pointless. The teams generally get uneven when some random player joins, doesn't check the teams, and picks the side he likes the weapons for the best. I believe we do a good job of policing ourselves on keeping the teams even. /end rant

[Cranky]

Well thank you but it was mostly luck! Oh and Puppy went back to the same spot alot, he is a creature of habit !! :nod: :nod:

I never slap Jay !!!!! :wink:

[Dr.Strangelove]

Well thank you but it was mostly luck!


That's how most of us get kills. :) We shoot someone who isn't looking at us or we camp, aka hide in corners and shake in fear, until someone comes by and shoot them, WHILE THEY AREN'T LOOKING! That's the key, shoot them when they arren't looking! :)

[Chalybos]

MASH, I was there when the talk was going out about a certain 'noob' needing to get kicked because he sucked. I hate to say it, but you wouldn't have heard that on the DC channel. We're used to noobs who suck over there. :D Seriously, though, I was very suprised to hear that sort of talk from the group; that's a sign that you're taking the game too seriously. I know that I rant, and get frustrated. Sometimes I get pissed and, big shock here, swear. But wanting somebody to get the boot because they're new or just a bad player is horrible. I saw the guy playing, and quite frankly, I've seen worse performances in other games from some of the guys who were on TS that night. If anyone disagrees with me on this opinion, that's fine and dandy. Go play on a clan server. I don't think anyone here who put up a server for the rest of us to use, free of charge, intended that sort of gameplay on their server.
On the topic of TS talk, I've never had a problem with diming out the guy who got you, or having somebody drop the dime on me. But there is sometimes the 'go left, go right, he's around the next building behind the crate' sort of talk, and that's kind of cheesy. Now, as far as the subject of talking about MASH is concerned, I do that all the time. :roll: Even when he's not there. :wink: Even more so, when he doesn't have the ability to return the jabs. :lol:

[JTFazz]

Let me just point out for the record, that the VSF affiliated servers have agreed on a common rules set and not a single one of our rules says that inability to play the game at the level of a veteran -- or lack of equal skill -- is against the rules. If there was such a rule, well, I don't think many of us would be around... including myself when it comes to CoD, especiall with the DEM mod.

That should bring an end to that. As for TS, well, its an animal of a different pelt. There are no rules governing TS, with the exception that Naz asked us all a while back to watch our language.

So, I think we can all agree that being a n00b is not against the rules and that TS is what it is until such time as guidelines are laid out...

...until next time, Happy Campers*

*in no way a reference to spawncamping, base-raping, but simply my old sign-off when I wrote a column when I was a sports writer.

[Chalybos]

Let me just point out for the record, that the VSF affiliated servers have agreed on a common rules set and not a single one of our rules says that inability to play the game or lack of skill is against the rules. That should bring an end to that. As for TS, well, its an animal of a different pelt. There are no rules governing TS, with the exception that Naz asked us all a while back to watch our language.

So, I think we can all agree that being a n00b is not against the rules and that TS is what it is.
:sigh: My big flaw late at night. I try, and usually I catch myself, but at 1:30 a.m., well, I tend to slip more often as the hours march on.

[AJ]

Is there really a no cussing rule? I think I have the worst potty mouth out of everyone... I'm sorry guys; I'll tone it down.

[Iron Sauron]

Is there really a no cussing rule? I think I have the worst potty mouth out of everyone... I'm sorry guys; I'll tone it down.
i really dont care what ya say as long as it isnt too obscene.

[Naz]

Is there really a no cussing rule? I think I have the worst potty mouth out of everyone... I'm sorry guys; I'll tone it down.
i really dont care what ya say as long as it isnt too obscene.

<===== Worst culprit



-Naz

[stickboy]

Is there really a no cussing rule? I think I have the worst potty mouth out of everyone... I'm sorry guys; I'll tone it down.
i really dont care what ya say as long as it isnt too obscene.

<===== Worst culprit



-Naz

<---------also a bad boy :cry: :(