New version of DEM

[NVmySTYLE]

ravir released beta version 12 today and menzel threw it on the server for us. i'm sitting here debating if i should tell you the new features/feature or let you guys find out the hard way. =)













































put it this way, i doubt swayzor and rob will be jumping around like jackrabbits anymore.

[Rogue]

8O

I guess I'll be playing CoD a bit more often from now on.

-Rogue

[ignus]

nooooooooooooo i like being a little white fluffy rodent! :cry:

[ignus]

ok anti-bunny hop by smiting is ghey as h377. i thought it would be somehting like it ignores every 3rd jump or something. not kills you!
and if you are standing next to someone it kills them too! hopefully he'll fix this in a way that doesnt involve DEATH, cuz bunny hopping is a valid technique and frankly if i cant do it, i wont play DEM.

[Stockboy99]

ok anti-bunny hop by smiting is ghey as h377. i thought it would be somehting like it ignores every 3rd jump or something. not kills you!
and if you are standing next to someone it kills them too! hopefully he'll fix this in a way that doesnt involve DEATH, cuz bunny hopping is a valid technique and frankly if i cant do it, i wont play DEM.

Maybe something like decreasing your speed every time you jumped for a short time?

[NVmySTYLE]

personally i like the anti bunny hop. activision is dragging thier feet so the mod community came out with a valid fix for it. if you notice you get shellshocked first, if you jump after that you burn in hell.

[ignus]

personally i like the anti bunny hop. activision is dragging thier feet so the mod community came out with a valid fix for it. if you notice you get shellshocked first, if you jump after that you burn in hell.

shell shock is another part of this mod that i despise. :mad:

[JTFazz]

Sounds like a horrible fix for the bunny hopping... so many players bunny hop by reflex when they get into a CQB or moving over a large area while snipers zero in on them.

I hope once the developers address this with a patch, the mod is adjusted accordingly...

[SauerKraut]

It sucks.

I hate it. I played for 10 minutes last night with it before getting a headache.

I won't be back. It's bothersome. Can't even climb a freakin' ladder without going into shell shock. wtf is that all about?

[Chalybos]

Yeah, the shell shock when climbing a ladder or jumping onto a roof sux. And as far as the bunny hop thing goes, I like to jump around; I do it in every game I play, and it does keep you alive. I expect it from the guys I'm trying to kill, as well.

[LilPuppy]

It sucks.

I hate it. I played for 10 minutes last night with it before getting a headache.

I won't be back. It's bothersome. Can't even climb a freakin' ladder without going into shell shock. wtf is that all about?

The creator of the mod visited the server last (this ver. of the mod is less than a week) to say he has fixed some bugs and listened to our comp. such as the ladder issue and he said he would address this to-day or tomorrow...the guy is working hard on this 3 versions in a week....as far as the bunny hopping I prefer it myself , like respawn is realism.. :roll:

[SauerKraut]

It sucks.

I hate it. I played for 10 minutes last night with it before getting a headache.

I won't be back. It's bothersome. Can't even climb a freakin' ladder without going into shell shock. wtf is that all about?

The creator of the mod visited the server last (this ver. of the mod is less than a week) to say he has fixed some bugs and listened to our comp. such as the ladder issue and he said he would address this to-day or tomorrow...the guy is working hard on this 3 versions in a week....as far as the bunny hopping I prefer it myself , like respawn is realism.. :roll:


well, when he fixes it i'll be back. until then, i'll bunny hop in freedom and climb ladders in total peace and tranquility someplace else. I don't like feeling like a person with only a left ventricle for a heart, blacking out and getting dizzy while climbing a fricken ladder.

[ignus]

It sucks.

I hate it. I played for 10 minutes last night with it before getting a headache.

I won't be back. It's bothersome. Can't even climb a freakin' ladder without going into shell shock. wtf is that all about?

The creator of the mod visited the server last (this ver. of the mod is less than a week) to say he has fixed some bugs and listened to our comp. such as the ladder issue and he said he would address this to-day or tomorrow...the guy is working hard on this 3 versions in a week....as far as the bunny hopping I prefer it myself , like respawn is realism.. :roll:


well, when he fixes it i'll be back. until then, i'll bunny hop in freedom and climb ladders in total peace and tranquility someplace else. I don't like feeling like a person with only a left ventricle for a heart, blacking out and getting dizzy while climbing a fricken ladder.

im w/ ya sk, lets go grace some public's w/ our presence (and corrupt them too! :D)

[Hooters]

I don't know much about this bunny-hop thing that you guys were doing but I'm VERY glad that I missed it. Just the thought of it is giving me severe pain! 8O

Lt. Hooters
"m0re than a m0uthful!" :D

[RobRoy]

I don't know much about this bunny-hop thing that you guys were doing but I'm VERY glad that I missed it. Just the thought of it is giving me severe pain! 8O

Lt. Hooters
"m0re than a m0uthful!" :D The thought of Hooters bunny hopping gives me server wood :lol: :lol: 8O 8O

[Wrigs]

I'm happy that bunny hopping is toned down. It's a skill yes, but how many soldiers jumped around not to get shot. I prefer finding a different route that jump around. Yes i do use it, but i'm not a proponent of it.

S/K why would u be bunny hopping u sniping fool :D

[SauerKraut]

I'm happy that bunny hopping is toned down. It's a skill yes, but how many soldiers jumped around not to get shot. I prefer finding a different route that jump around. Yes i do use it, but i'm not a proponent of it.

S/K why would u be bunny hopping u sniping fool :D


well, i happen to enjoy running around and jumping when i spawn, and when NV comes barrelling towards me with a Thompson and I have to get out of his crosshairs quickly, i'll take a hop and try to make it over a bush with leaves on it, because we all know that leaves provide good cover from bullets.

[LilPuppy]

because we all know that leaves provide good cover from bullets.



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8O

[JTFazz]

Hopping Bunnies are Bad
http://pto4.com/bunniesbad.gif

[Bokchoi]

I bunny hop when it's needed but like Wrigs I don't replace BH with walking. I think that it's better they make it so that BH a few times will *hurt* the person instead of *blowing* that poor bunny into pieces. Sometimes it is needed, jumping over trenches and then over rocks. And also bunny hopping when nobody is near you isn't considered anything (snipers should be able to snipe them anyways, if they can't, they shouldn't be sniping in the first place :oops: )

*You mean I'm no bunny!?!?!!?!?*

[JTFazz]

The best solution is reducing the speed of bunny hopping... or maybe like RtCW does with the sprint feature... make the bunny hopping ability deplete after 10 seconds or so and build back up... intentionally damaging players because of this is a poor solution. If running becomes a gameplay problem... maybe they can make players have heart attacks and drop dead after running for a few feet... :D

[Bizman]

:)
I always loved the comment "Realism in gaming" ha! If you want real..Please see your local recruiter. This is entertainment. Lol JT! That would be funny! Running to get the objective, bootlaces are untied you trip and die on your own knife! Console: Bizman tripped on his shoelaces and commited hara-kiri!
Stop the madness!
Biz

[Stockboy99]

I need a bayonent mod. for my rifles so I can spear bunnies.

[Dali]

All of you bunny hopping addicts make it sound like you can't jump at all ....you can jump...just not 3 times in a row!...yes the shell shock thing is getting a little overboard but it sounds like this is a work in process....Just say no to bunny hopping!

[SauerKraut]

I'm forming a support group, Bunny Hoppers/12 Steppers.


If we get enough members we'll become a political party called The United Peoples Hopping Front of Judea.

[Iron Sauron]

honestly, i HATE shellshock, and i HATE the idea of not being able to jump around when there are snipers/sharpshooters. like on Hurtgen.

[Cranky]

When i started playing this game almost everyone bunny hopped. So i thought if ya can't beat them join them . And now i have to stop !!!! It's just not fair!! lol :roll: :roll: :? :? :wink:

[Iggy]

In case it hasn't been beaten to death, bunny hoppers stink. That is all.

[NVmySTYLE]

It sucks.

I hate it. I played for 10 minutes last night with it before getting a headache.

I won't be back. It's bothersome. Can't even climb a freakin' ladder without going into shell shock. wtf is that all about?

first of all, this mod is in beta!!! there are going to be issues. you can hop 3 times, then shellshock sets in the fourth CONSECUTIVE jump you go boom. ravir the mod maker was on last night and said he will work on the ladder/shellshock issue and have a new beta version out tuesday night. as far as the invincible bug goes, he fixed that last night and put up a new version of the mod so as soon as menzel can get it loaded on the server i'm sure it will be.

the demolition mod is far superior to any other mod out there for cod at this time. it isn't perfect yet!!! but the developer stops into the server almost nightly to ask about bugs or problems. i also hear marketgarden is being converted to cod as DUAL objective and base from wolf already has been converted. i'll checkout base on another server to see if it's worth asking menzel to add it to the rotation........

we have a mapper and a modder interested in this game and community, i think we're fortunate and we should assist them in whatever way we can.

[LionRampant]

Down with the bunnyhoppers. I could go on, but choose not to.

[LilPuppy]

It sucks.

I hate it. I played for 10 minutes last night with it before getting a headache.

I won't be back. It's bothersome. Can't even climb a freakin' ladder without going into shell shock. wtf is that all about?

first of all, this mod is in beta!!! there are going to be issues. you can hop 3 times, then shellshock sets in the fourth CONSECUTIVE jump you go boom. ravir the mod maker was on last night and said he will work on the ladder/shellshock issue and have a new beta version out tuesday night. as far as the invincible bug goes, he fixed that last night and put up a new version of the mod so as soon as menzel can get it loaded on the server i'm sure it will be.

the demolition mod is far superior to any other mod out there for cod at this time. it isn't perfect yet!!! but the developer stops into the server almost nightly to ask about bugs or problems. i also hear marketgarden is being converted to cod as DUAL objective and base from wolf already has been converted. i'll checkout base on another server to see if it's worth asking menzel to add it to the rotation........

we have a mapper and a modder interested in this game and community, i think we're fortunate and we should assist them in whatever way we can.

That's what I've been trying to get across...their interest is fantastic and we win by getting to be the guiena pigs for two talented and generous people... :D

[Bokchoi]

btw it's 2 jumps and the shellshock sets in and 3rd jump...you're looking at your own corpse.

should atleast set it to 5th jump imo.

[NVmySTYLE]

it's only 2 jump for you, everyone else gets a third =)~

[SauerKraut]

that's all fine and dandy, with Ravir being such a sweet bast4rd and we're all testing it out for him and other people are enjoying it. that's great. doesn't mean i have to. i read all your messages 5x5 and understand everything you're trying to convey, it doesn't mean i have to like it.

which i don't. it's no loss. i'll come back when it's changed, that's all. i'm not going far, i'll just be in another TS channel. Not like i'll be missed, the server fills up all night it seems, lately. I prefer to actually enjoy my gaming experiences, and I don't with the shell shock/anti-hop thing. who cares. that's just my opinion. just throwing my thoughts out there as a member who likes to play CoD.

[Wrigs]

that's all fine and dandy, with Ravir being such a sweet bast4rd and we're all testing it out for him and other people are enjoying it. that's great. doesn't mean i have to. i read all your messages 5x5 and understand everything you're trying to convey, it doesn't mean i have to like it.

which i don't. it's no loss. i'll come back when it's changed, that's all. i'm not going far, i'll just be in another TS channel. Not like i'll be missed, the server fills up all night it seems, lately. I prefer to actually enjoy my gaming experiences, and I don't with the shell shock/anti-hop thing. who cares. that's just my opinion. just throwing my thoughts out there as a member who likes to play CoD.


That's fine, take ur bat and ball and go home :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[SauerKraut]

that's all fine and dandy, with Ravir being such a sweet bast4rd and we're all testing it out for him and other people are enjoying it. that's great. doesn't mean i have to. i read all your messages 5x5 and understand everything you're trying to convey, it doesn't mean i have to like it.

which i don't. it's no loss. i'll come back when it's changed, that's all. i'm not going far, i'll just be in another TS channel. Not like i'll be missed, the server fills up all night it seems, lately. I prefer to actually enjoy my gaming experiences, and I don't with the shell shock/anti-hop thing. who cares. that's just my opinion. just throwing my thoughts out there as a member who likes to play CoD.


That's fine, take ur bat and ball and go home :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't find that funny, I guess it means something I don't know about. Some American colloquialism?

Whatever. Point being, I was just offering my opinion of the mod.

[YellowDog]

that's all fine and dandy, with Ravir being such a sweet bast4rd and we're all testing it out for him and other people are enjoying it. that's great. doesn't mean i have to. i read all your messages 5x5 and understand everything you're trying to convey, it doesn't mean i have to like it.

which i don't. it's no loss. i'll come back when it's changed, that's all. i'm not going far, i'll just be in another TS channel. Not like i'll be missed, the server fills up all night it seems, lately. I prefer to actually enjoy my gaming experiences, and I don't with the shell shock/anti-hop thing. who cares. that's just my opinion. just throwing my thoughts out there as a member who likes to play CoD.


That's fine, take ur bat and ball and go home :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't find that funny, I guess it means something I don't know about. Some American colloquialism?

Whatever. Point being, I was just offering my opinion of the mod.

Ya its like the kid who has the only soccer ball doesn't get his way he take his ball and goes home farkin' the rest of the kids. used as a joke mostly.

YD

[Wrigs]

that's all fine and dandy, with Ravir being such a sweet bast4rd and we're all testing it out for him and other people are enjoying it. that's great. doesn't mean i have to. i read all your messages 5x5 and understand everything you're trying to convey, it doesn't mean i have to like it.

which i don't. it's no loss. i'll come back when it's changed, that's all. i'm not going far, i'll just be in another TS channel. Not like i'll be missed, the server fills up all night it seems, lately. I prefer to actually enjoy my gaming experiences, and I don't with the shell shock/anti-hop thing. who cares. that's just my opinion. just throwing my thoughts out there as a member who likes to play CoD.


That's fine, take ur bat and ball and go home :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't find that funny, I guess it means something I don't know about. Some American colloquialism?

Whatever. Point being, I was just offering my opinion of the mod.

Ya its like the kid who has the only soccer ball doesn't get his way he take his ball and goes home farkin' the rest of the kids. used as a joke mostly.

YD

I know u don't like the mod SK, but had to bust ur chops anyways :)

[SauerKraut]

I know u don't like the mod SK, but had to bust ur chops anyways :)


it's all good. i deserve it sometimes.

:wink:

[AJ]

honestly, i HATE shellshock, and i HATE the idea of not being able to jump around when there are snipers/sharpshooters. like on Hurtgen.

Yup, not too fond of DEM either...but that's just me, I can see why others like it. I really liked the STD SD server we were on before, guess I'll have more chances to frag them. I love playing with you guys, but it will probably only be for BR matches for a while. Thanks for staying up to date w/ CoD and trying new things. Be back when it's settled (I hope).

-AJ

[MASH]

Didn't notice any bunnyhopping drama when I played (though it does seem like a silly addition), but I thought the DEM mod made the whole game playable. I actually felt for a split second like we were a team actually trying to accomplish something! My only real b1tch is the "give a teammate health" thing. I give an A to the mod maker for doing what he can to make up for the biggest hole in the game... no classes.

[Chairman_Kaga]

Yup, not too fond of DEM either...but that's just me, I can see why others like it. I really liked the STD SD server we were on before, guess I'll have more chances to frag them.

-AJ
You really like Sexually Transmitted Disease? ;)


I like DEM. It certainly has some shortcomings but the Mod'er is working on them. I will continue to occasionally check back on the status of things and get a game in.

I really have little interest in playing any other mode and hope DEM matures to it's potential. Bugged out last night when it went back to BEL and finally got an open slot on DC.

[JTFazz]

Go, Kaga, go, Kaga... I was wondering when someone was going to play the STD card... :lol:

[SauerKraut]

I just want to say, that the Mod itself, DEM, is great! The objectives are sweet and all, it's just the little things that make it unplayable for me, namely what I mentioned above.

Mash's post helped me realize that I was just sounding like I was whining, when in fact the mod as a whole is a great and innovative new way of playing the same ol'/same ol'.

[Wrigs]

I just want to say, that the Mod itself, DEM, is great! The objectives are sweet and all, it's just the little things that make it unplayable for me, namely what I mentioned above.

Mash's post helped me realize that I was just sounding like I was whining, when in fact the mod as a whole is a great and innovative new way of playing the same ol'/same ol'.

U never whine, u may complain, but u never whine...now MASH whines about being cold, that's whining :D

[batmanuel]

In the little bit I played DEM I really enjoyed it... the multiple objectives with multiple bombs, respawning, the whole nine yards. The bunny-hop doesn't impact me at all, so I could care less...

What I can't stand is the "hunt the guy with the question mark" mode... I find it really tedious!!!! I'd prefer all DEM and the standard objective mode.

I think the shellshock is cool for grenade, PF shots and good ol' fashioned whacking with a gun, but don't think it should really kick in when you're being shot, especially if damage is light.

And btw, sorry for the TKs and Team Damage last night... I was definitely not at my best.

[RobRoy]

honestly, i HATE shellshock, and i HATE the idea of not being able to jump around when there are snipers/sharpshooters. like on Hurtgen.

Yup, not too fond of DEM either...but that's just me, I can see why others like it. I really liked the STD SD server we were on before, guess I'll have more chances to frag them. I love playing with you guys, but it will probably only be for BR matches for a while. Thanks for staying up to date w/ CoD and trying new things. Be back when it's settled (I hope).

-AJ :no: :no: :x But we miss you AJ! Im gonna go cry now :P

[Dawg]

The anti-bunny-hopping (ABH) technique is buggy, but at least the developer (ravir?) is working on it. If we think that the solution that Ravir has developed to control b-hoppers is too drastic, let's put virtual pen to virtual paper what WE think would be a good method of dealing with the b-hoppers.

We recall the energy bar from RtCW/ET and I think that something similar could be devised for CoD. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to code. Assume a variable called energy that starts at a value of 100. Each jump reduces the energy level by anorther value, call it jumpCost and set it to 10. Every second the player is not jumping the player's energy regains 1. If the player is not moving (no running or jumping) then he regains 2 per second.

"So what?" you may ask. Ahh... When the player's speed or jump height is being calculated, the energy level modifies the result - either as a multiplier or as an addition. The former is more costly in CPU cycles but I don't know if how much impact it would have on the game engine calculations.

I'm not sure how to give feedback to the player. An energy bar is one method but perhaps just giving the value on the screen is better.

Just a thought... and a rough one at that...

Dawg

[LionHeart]

im of the same opinion about dem
its a great mod but i find that it makes it like wolf/et with the respawning and such
its like playing wolf again to me which ive played enough of that game style alrdy

[AJ]

Just a quick question, what's wrong with bunny hopping in the first place? I find that I can usually kill a hopper easier than any others. Just sit still and pop 'em in the face! ;) I'm sure I bunnny hop, to avoid snipers or just for fun, running around the map. I just don't understand why everyone is trying to take that out of the game. Please don't say realistic.... This game is FAR from realistic to begin with.

[SauerKraut]

Just a quick question, what's wrong with bunny hopping in the first place? I find that I can usually kill a hopper easier than any others. Just sit still and pop 'em in the face! ;) I'm sure I bunnny hop, to avoid snipers or just for fun, running around the map. I just don't understand why everyone is trying to take that out of the game. Please don't say realistic.... This game is FAR from realistic to begin with.


Finally! Someone who shares my opinion of bunny hopping.

Leave the darn crap in the game. Everyone likes to jump around. People who get killed because a player was bunny hopping just hasn't learned that the best excuse for this kind of ownage is "Darn lag!" and "crappy team!"

[Dawg]

Just a quick question, what's wrong with bunny hopping in the first place? I find that I can usually kill a hopper easier than any others. Just sit still and pop 'em in the face! ;) I'm sure I bunnny hop, to avoid snipers or just for fun, running around the map. I just don't understand why everyone is trying to take that out of the game. Please don't say realistic.... This game is FAR from realistic to begin with.


Finally! Someone who shares my opinion of bunny hopping.

Leave the darn crap in the game. Everyone likes to jump around. People who get killed because a player was bunny hopping just hasn't learned that the best excuse for this kind of ownage is "Darn lag!" and "crappy team!"
Yeah! Don't blame the opponent - blame your connection or teammates! Or maybe even your mouse or keyboard! Maybe your lame vidcard or CPU or even your monitor!! It certainly can't be because of your 1337 skillz! They are, after all, |\/|4|) :)

Seriously though. Bunny hopping is a little distracting. I do it so I don't complain about others, but I wouldn't mind a level playing field where a more realistic jumping system were employed. I dunno if that is something that can be achieved in a mod or if the codebase is too rigid in that respect to make it plausible.

The jumping effect in the game could be improved. I don't really like the current ABH method. I would rather reduce the height of the jump as you jump more. That is what is in my suggestion. I am under no delusion that my theory would be easy to implement - I'm not even sure its possible with the Q3/RtCW engine.

As for the issue of 'realism'... this is a game. It is therefore not real. But the game is more realistic than Doom. The game designers have strived to make a game that is more realistic than RtCW/ET as well. As technology advances the games have become more realistic. Until we can create a world of VR-forcefeedback we cannot make a truly realistic game. The key is identify what makes a game more realistic yet doesn't detract from the gameplay. B-hopping is unrealistic but it exists in the gameplay because it is complicated to apply realistic physics within the game engine. The mod community are not really trying to make the game absolutely realistic, but efforts to make the game MORE realistic are commendable and should be supported.

To make a game even more realistic we should have variable height and energy levels for each player. Perhaps they could be tied - a smaller player is harder to hit but has less energy. Ok, now I'm talking about creating a new game... but my point is that there are so many different approaches that can be taken to trying to make a game realistic. To say we shouldn't pursue realism in a game is silly...

That being said... As a matter of realism, IMHO, having a guy explode from jumping too much is not really much better than having the same guy jump all the way across the map.

Buts lets put our efforts into constructive criticism. If you don't like it and just go away, you will not have any input into the final product. Don't be surprised if there remain things you do not like as a result. If you choose not to speak, you will not be heard.

Dawg

[LilPuppy]

[quote=AJ]Just a quick question, what's wrong with bunny hopping in the first place? I find that I can usually kill a hopper easier than any others. Just sit still and pop 'em in the face! ;) I'm sure I bunnny hop, to avoid snipers or just for fun, running around the map. I just don't understand why everyone is trying to take that out of the game. Please don't say realistic.... This game is FAR from realistic to begin with.





Buts lets put our efforts into constructive criticism. If you don't like it and just go away, you will not have any input into the final product. Don't be surprised if there remain things you do not like as a result. If you choose not to speak, you will not be heard.

Dawg

Darn dogs are so smart!! :D

[JTFazz]

Don't hold your breath if you want anything constructive from this crew... :lol:

P.S. If dogs are so smart, Pup, how did you screw up your "quote" post? :lol: +1

[SauerKraut]

Buts lets put our efforts into constructive criticism. If you don't like it and just go away, you will not have any input into the final product. Don't be surprised if there remain things you do not like as a result. If you choose not to speak, you will not be heard.

Dawg


I don't really follow that. I don't know if you are refering to me, as you quoted me, or just everyone in general, because I thought that was the point of my post, being constructive. I did speak, so I was heard. I don't like it and if people don't like it and just go away, ignoring the fact that people left because of something isn't very bright. Something was obviously broke and needed fixing. I personally left input, and have not shown back up. If that input is ignored simply because someone is not there anymore, that just goes to show you the kind of mentality that shouldn't be in charge.

Proverbally, I voted in this election, so my voice has been heard. I have a right to complain. And my complaints have been constructive.

[NVmySTYLE]

ravir gave me the command to disable his bunnyhop feature so it can be toggled on or off. the only problem with turning it off at this point is it may bring back the invincible player bug. he is working on it and it should be corrected in the next version.

i'll turn it off tonight and see what happens.

[SauerKraut]

ravir gave me the command to disable his bunnyhop feature so it can be toggled on or off. the only problem with turning it off at this point is it may bring back the invincible player bug. he is working on it and it should be corrected in the next version.

i'll turn it off tonight and see what happens.

there's an invincible player bug?

oh yeah! I'm definately coming back to pwn you with my 1337 invinceh4x

[Wrigs]

ravir gave me the command to disable his bunnyhop feature so it can be toggled on or off. the only problem with turning it off at this point is it may bring back the invincible player bug. he is working on it and it should be corrected in the next version.

i'll turn it off tonight and see what happens.

there's an invincible player bug?

oh yeah! I'm definately coming back to pwn you with my 1337 invinceh4x

We'll just get u kicked :D :lol:

[Dawg]

Buts lets put our efforts into constructive criticism. If you don't like it and just go away, you will not have any input into the final product. Don't be surprised if there remain things you do not like as a result. If you choose not to speak, you will not be heard.

Dawg


I don't really follow that. I don't know if you are refering to me, as you quoted me, or just everyone in general, because I thought that was the point of my post, being constructive. I did speak, so I was heard. I don't like it and if people don't like it and just go away, ignoring the fact that people left because of something isn't very bright. Something was obviously broke and needed fixing. I personally left input, and have not shown back up. If that input is ignored simply because someone is not there anymore, that just goes to show you the kind of mentality that shouldn't be in charge.

Proverbally, I voted in this election, so my voice has been heard. I have a right to complain. And my complaints have been constructive.
Actually, I quoted you to riff off of your joke...

I wasn't trying to single you out and the comments that you and others made were not necessariliy unconstructive. My point was that if you tried it, didn't like it, said so, and then don't come back,then you won't be able to judge the next version unless someone tells you about it. I just didn't want to see a flood of people giving up on the server because its running a beta of a mod. The whole point of the beta is that our input can lead to changes. Using the election analogy, we are still in the early primaries... the real election has not yet come to pass.

Dawg

[AJ]

I'll keep coming back to try out the newer versions, and to panzer Puppy, and to sap Mary, and to rile up NV, AND to pwn Raptor!!*....it just won't be map after map after map unless the game is back to being fun again. I wasn't asking about bunny-hopping trying to get an argument or flame anyone, I just honestly wanted to know everyone's thoughts. As for an energy bar or something of the like, for jumping anyways, it sounds like the best way to solve the problem. I hope someone can design that. :)


*Thanks for reminding me :)

[Iron Sauron]

panzer Puppy, and to sap Mary, and to rile up NV

YES! im not on the standard victim list!

[Wrigs]

panzer Puppy, and to sap Mary, and to rile up NV

YES! im not on the standard victim list!

Ur on top of most lists :lol:

[LilPuppy]

Don't hold your breath if you want anything constructive from this crew... :lol:

P.S. If dogs are so smart, Pup, how did you screw up your "quote" post? :lol: +1


I'm a puppy , oneday I hope to be a dog...cause they are so smart... :wink:

[LionHeart]

i think we all hope for that puppy :P

[Dr.Strangelove]

I PM'd Menzel asking him to add in more HQ to the rotation. There seems to be a majority (not a unanimous of course) in favor of that instead of so much BEL (I didn't ask him to eliminate it, just scale it back some). As of right now, the DEM isn't running, nor shellshock, not with the new patch. So all you leavers come back! HQ is a blast and requires lots of teamwork, plus there don't seem to be any kinks in it like DEM (not that DEM was bad). Come back! argh!

8O

[Iron Sauron]

panzer Puppy, and to sap Mary, and to rile up NV

YES! im not on the standard victim list!

Ur on top of most lists :lol:

you want some of this?!
http://www.batarden.be/images/collection/luger.jpg

[NVmySTYLE]

actually DEM for 1.2 came out very early in the morning. ravir was hard at work. i already pm'd menzel with the file and hopefully we can have it up and running tonight 1/31

[LionRampant]

The server is down now. So maybe, just maybe... ;)

[Menzel]

Dem for 1.2 is up and running. I took a few bel maps out but I still see there's a big rotation of them in the map list, I'll exchange a few more of these for HQ.

I will be doing a firmware upgrade on the PIX firewall software this afternoon around 1:00pm, so connectivity may drop to the COD server for about an hour while I make changes.
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[Dr.Strangelove]

Thanks Menzel. You are ilete. Eleete. Eeleat. Uh. You get the idea.

[LionRampant]

Doc is to eqoleunt 4 us.

[Iron Sauron]

so we have DEM,BEl,HQ,RE, we need some S&D. if i counted right-htere are 10 maps. if we get these 5 modes with ten maps and switch them up, then each mode should get at LEAST 2 entries in the rotation.