Got Banned Today - Didn't get a chance to explain...

[tecknikal]

I was just playing a few minutes ago on mp_dawnville retrieval mode. I've only been playing CoD for a few days, and I've only played RE once on LAN, never online. When I first joined I thought it said that the Axis were defending, so while playing I never really went after anything, just killed Allies as I saw them. I thought the Allies were the ones that were supposed to retrieve like I said, so it was down to me and 1 teammate (bukchoi, sorry man :cry: ) against 1 Allied player...because I thought that we were defending, i didn't think we could pick up the radios, so when choi picked one up I saw the star icon that indicates he picked up a radio and I shot him. Then I got banned before I could go back in an explain to AJ.
Sorry about what happened, it was a stupid mistake, but I've only been playing for a few days like I said, so I hope that you can forgive it and let me back onto your server :)

[NVmySTYLE]

unfortunately tecknikal that is not the way me and the others playing at the time saw it. there have been complaints about you, marine, and your other ci buddy. you came on cursed after seeing the bot generated message at least twice. i personally witnessed you tk 2 radio carriers and it was at that time you were banned.

i don't have final say in the matter but in my opinion you should stay banned.

[AJ]

unfortunately tecknikal that is not the way me and the others playing at the time saw it. there have been complaints about you, marine, and your other ci buddy. you came on cursed after seeing the bot generated message at least twice. i personally witnessed you tk 2 radio carriers and it was at that time you were banned.

i don't have final say in the matter but in my opinion you should stay banned.

ditto.

[tecknikal]

I TK'd 2 of them? I didn't know that. If I did it wasn't on purpose. Like I said that was my first time playing "re" on dawnville and had the team objectives confused. Give the new guy a chance? It won't happen again I can promise you that.

[ignus]

besides, the server is running a bot that kick-bans you if you tk someone unless they forgive or the admin removes your name from the ban list (its similar to the shrub bot from rtcw)

[NVmySTYLE]

as i stated before, there were several complaints about you and your buddies from earlier in the day. your behavior tonight taken with the complaints about you and your clanmates left you with a very short rope, you managed to hang yourself.

[tecknikal]

Well I'm happy to see that going through the trouble to get here and apologize didn't mean anything to you. Thanks a bunch.

[Iron Sauron]

well, i cant say i saw that one. but aside from the problem, Welcome to the forumes! yay new member.

[tecknikal]

well, i cant say i saw that one. but aside from the problem, Welcome to the forumes! yay new member.
Hehe, I dunno if I'll be staying though. I made a mistake, got banned, found this site, signed up, and posted an apology and gave them my word that there will not be any problems anymore, but apparently I was so incredibly bad that I can't get a second chance :|

[LionRampant]

Firstly, having not been there, I can't comment on the decision of the person who decided it was best to ban you. Nor can I throw weight behind the unbanning of you.

I understand you are new to the game/mode, but it might have been an idea to a) read up more before playing; and/or b) confirming in-game with the other players what exactly your role is on that specific map/team.

We're a friendly bunch (for the most part) and are not looking to ban players at the earliest opportunity. Having lost our previous online gaming 'home', we are hoping that more and more players join as a member of the community and keep the servers full.

The vast majority of the community have been around for well over a year and usually know a troublemaker when they see one. Often it's not what it seems and can be someone innocently teamkilling teammates as they don't understand what is going on.

In hindsight, maybe it's a valuable lessson learned - especially where you're joining servers with rulesets and active monitoring - other people would say RTFM. :D

[Iron Sauron]

RTFM. :D another ackromyn? great, what's this one for?

[LionRampant]

RTFM. :D another ackromyn? great, what's this one for?
Read The *expletive*ing Manual.

[tecknikal]

I read the info, I just got it mixed up. When you first join a server it tells you the objective for both teams..but I probably only read one of them and thought it was my role. It was just a big mix-up, and I apologize again.

[Iron Sauron]

come on guys, give another chance. you have had plenty of opportunities to kick/ban me because of a mix up. mostly back on CCM in BF but thats besides the point.

[tecknikal]

come on guys, give another chance. you have had plenty of opportunities to kick/ban me because of a mix up. mostly back on CCM in BF but thats besides the point.

I appreciate your support Raptor. I have sent a message to NVmyStyle explaining my situation as well as apologizing a few more times. This is in his hands now, and whatever way he decides to go is the way it's going to be. Either way, I'll probably be hanging out here still, you guys have quite a community here :)

[Iron Sauron]

come on guys, give another chance. you have had plenty of opportunities to kick/ban me because of a mix up. mostly back on CCM in BF but thats besides the point.

I appreciate your support Raptor. I have sent a message to NVmyStyle explaining my situation as well as apologizing a few more times. This is in his hands now, and whatever way he decides to go is the way it's going to be. Either way, I'll probably be hanging out here still, you guys have quite a community here :)
and i dont know why tks a getting banned should be frowned upon. look at Stickboy. :D :D :D

[Dawg]

come on guys, give another chance. you have had plenty of opportunities to kick/ban me because of a mix up. mostly back on CCM in BF but thats besides the point.

I appreciate your support Raptor. I have sent a message to NVmyStyle explaining my situation as well as apologizing a few more times. This is in his hands now, and whatever way he decides to go is the way it's going to be. Either way, I'll probably be hanging out here still, you guys have quite a community here :)
Welcome aboard then.... though, I really don't know if we want any more Canucks around here. :P

Dawg

[tecknikal]

Hehehe..you'll learn to love us! :D

[SauerKraut]

First of all to Teck, sorry to hear this, but not really. I'm not an admin, but these things happen and we have rules in place for when this scenario occurs.
Rules are NOT meant to be broken, no matter what people might say. You probably would have had a better chance if you didn't get so many complaints against you, then warned repeatedly, then making your final mistake after the warnings. Hope things can be worked out if they are meant to be.


Last but not least, Raptor. You know the rules too. One of these rules is that the admin of a gaming server has the final say and they've all made their cases. There is no need to beat this idea like Raskolnikov in a Dostoevsky novel. You shouldn't berate the admins over their decisions, especially numerous times in a row. It's not right, especially in the public forums.

[Dawg]

Raptor made one statement in favor of re-admitting Tecknikal. Its not exactly berating the admins. I like to think that the members of the community are entitled to offer their opinions on such matters. If he begins pestering, that is another story.

Dawg

[BoogerBomb]

Besides NV said it was not his decision to keep him banned or not. Might I suggest a temp ban of like a week? Of course we only heard 2 people tell the story. Were there anymore witnesses?

BTW do you think a KH would take all the effort to come here post as many times as he has, hell he even registered? I doubt it, they would just move onto the next server to get banned from it.

[Chairman_Kaga]

Teck has done the right thing in moving this to PM'ing the admin to hash out the differences and state the case.

Anyone who did not witness said offenses should not speak up in defense of either Admin or "offender". It is not fair to either the admin or the offender.

Anyone who did witness the events, should PM the admin with their view. It should NOT be done in a public area. No good will come of it.


Raptor made one statement in favor of re-admitting Tecknikal. Its not exactly berating the admins. I like to think that the members of the community are entitled to offer their opinions on such matters. If he begins pestering, that is another story.

Dawg
Yes, the CAN offer their opinions on a matter. (Should be an informed opinion though) But it's poor form to do so publicly thereby unfairly pressuring an admin to changing their decision.




EDIT:
Unless, of course, the admin choses to create a poll as to whether or not to ban/unban. Until that point, this is not a public debate. It's between the admin and the offender.




BTW - Anyone else take sweet pleasure in that it's NV on the "other" side of this debate for once? :D :D :D :D

[Iggy]

We're a friendly bunch (for the most part)

I'm sorry I've been mean lately and I promise to never do it again. Can't I have another chance??? :D

[LionRampant]

We're a friendly bunch (for the most part)

I'm sorry I've been mean lately and I promise to never do it again. Can't I have another chance??? :D
Nope, to put it bluntly.

[Dawg]

Teck has done the right thing in moving this to PM'ing the admin to hash out the differences and state the case.
Agreed.

Anyone who did not witness said offenses should not speak up in defense of either Admin or "offender". It is not fair to either the admin or the offender.Agreed.

Anyone who did witness the events, should PM the admin with their view. It should NOT be done in a public area. No good will come of it.
Agreed, but I would extend that beyond mere witnesses to those with, as you put it, informed opinions. That being said, I think we have made an error in discussing this as much as we have, and I share fully in that.


Raptor made one statement in favor of re-admitting Tecknikal. Its not exactly berating the admins. I like to think that the members of the community are entitled to offer their opinions on such matters. If he begins pestering, that is another story.

Dawg
Yes, the CAN offer their opinions on a matter. (Should be an informed opinion though) But it's poor form to do so publicly thereby unfairly pressuring an admin to changing their decision.
Tecknikal posted the initial message and various folks responded. This made it a public issue. Once the barn door was opened it would be inappropriate to slam on those who didn't race in with quick opinions. In retrospect I think the following should have happened:
1. Tecknikal posts his apology as a thread.
2. NV responds by announcing that the discussion will be addressed in PM and requests that the forum admins lock the thread.
3. Forum admin locks thread.
4. NV and Tecknikal work out the issue in PM.

One thing to keep in mind is that VSF Gamers is not actually running the servers that bear that moniker. The admins of the forums are not the same as the admins of the servers. Our's is a confederation of like-minded folk. The organization makes things a little clumsy. I think we can learn from this instance.


BTW - Anyone else take sweet pleasure in that it's NV on the "other" side of this debate for once? :D :D :D :D
No comment. :| :| :) :|

So let me agree with Kaga that we end the discussion of Tecknikal's situation in this thread. Let them work things out in PM.

Dawg

[NVmySTYLE]

teck you did the right thing by coming here and apologizing. here is the deal i will UNBAN you however if you and your clanmates get out of hand i will ban all of you to hell for eternity.

and welcome to the forums!

[Iron Sauron]

agreed. :nod: now...lets go to the wall and spam

[Dawg]

Wait! I wanna argue . . . Don't let the voices of reason stop us!!!

Let's modify the !8ball command so it only has one response... you know which one I mean ...

Dawg

[NVmySTYLE]

teck you have been unbanned and all tk points cleansed. if for some reason you have a problem reconnecting to the server please pm me and i will correct it.

i apologize that this has been an inconvenience for you but you have to understand we try to limit the KH's on our server to just me, ignus, wrigs, puppy, robroy, seminole and the king of smacktards sauer

[Dawg]

(snip)

i apologize that this has been an inconvenience for you but you have to understand we try to limit the KH's on our server to just me, ignus, wrigs, puppy, robroy, seminole and the king of doofuss sauer
You forgot me... I am an expert at falling off ledges, boxes, rooftops... you name it! Granted, its not really KH behavior, but it certainly qualifies me as a doofus.

Dawg

[tecknikal]

I appreciate it NV, and I assure you there will be no problems arising from me and my clanmate. The other guy ("marine") isn't part of my clan..unfortunately I do know him though, and he's a dork :wink: so you can ban him whenever you want! lol

Just out of curiousity, what does KH stand for? I've seen it thrown around a lot in CoD forums.

[BoogerBomb]

KnuckleHeads. Generally people who join the server just to cause problems and make everyones time on that server miserable.

[CMontyBurns]

Just out of curiousity, what does KH stand for? I've seen it thrown around a lot in CoD forums.

KH=Knucklehead or a :kh:

welcome aboard

[tecknikal]

Ahh ok..well, I'm definately not a KH then :D

[MASH]

One thing to keep in mind is that VSF Gamers is not actually running the servers that bear that moniker. The admins of the forums are not the same as the admins of the servers. Our's is a confederation of like-minded folk. The organization makes things a little clumsy. I think we can learn from this instance.
Dawg makes a good point.

All of the server admins (at least the ones I know of) have agreed in principle to follow the same rules as laid down by CCM (very slight modifications). However, it needs to be said that each servers admins have ultimate say over what happens there. We each have our personal peevs and preferences. For example, camping may get you a warn/kick on AK2's server or CoD, but I think you all know how I would react to such a thing. However, try dropping an N-bomb in the Dome and see how fast you are banned without warning.

Admins are trusted with the responsibility to make decisions for the betterment of the players on the server, and, hopefully, the community as a whole.

I kinda look at it like a franchise model... We all hang the KFC logo outside of our restaurants, but we are independently owned and operated. The buck stops with us... no one else.

That all being said, Kaga is graciously documenting the rules as agreed upon by the admins and the community so that each server can be run in the same way. I think there will not be a problem with keeping the CCM/VSF spirit alive, even though our servers are not owned by a single uber-entity.

[Chairman_Kaga]

One thing to keep in mind is that VSF Gamers is not actually running the servers that bear that moniker. The admins of the forums are not the same as the admins of the servers. Our's is a confederation of like-minded folk. The organization makes things a little clumsy. I think we can learn from this instance.
Dawg makes a good point.

All of the server admins (at least the ones I know of) have agreed in principle to follow the same rules as laid down by CCM (very slight modifications). However, it needs to be said that each servers admins have ultimate say over what happens there. We each have our personal peevs and preferences. For example, camping may get you a warn/kick on AK2's server or CoD, but I think you all know how I would react to such a thing. However, try dropping an N-bomb in the Dome and see how fast you are banned without warning.

Admins are trusted with the responsibility to make decisions for the betterment of the players on the server, and, hopefully, the community as a whole.

I kinda look at it like a franchise model... We all hang the KFC logo outside of our restaurants, but we are independently owned and operated. The buck stops with us... no one else.

That all being said, Kaga is graciously documenting the rules as agreed upon by the admins and the community so that each server can be run in the same way. I think there will not be a problem with keeping the CCM/VSF spirit alive, even though our servers are not owned by a single uber-entity.
It's not just me. It's all admins/mods trying to help out. I just drew the short straw and got to be the messenger. :)

FWIW - we're not trying to force the set of rules on any server. Just trying to make it easier for the server admins by having written rules for each server and easier for the community as a whole to have a similar set of rules for each server.

[JTFazz]

The problem comes in where players who are kicked or banned come to the forums for redress of grievances because at least two or three of the servers' rotating messages say rules are posted here. But they are not. The site admin staff has been discussing ways to rectify this without trying to set policy for each server.

Just to make it easy, we offered up the old CCM general rules set for the server operators to accept or reject as a general set of rules, subject to modification based on the individual games dynamics.

When rules are advertised as being here on the site and are not, it then becomes an issue for the staff here to address. Some server operators have decided to adopt the VSF name and promote the site and therefore the connection becomes a bit stronger, albeit still unofficial.

We would like to think it is a mutual benefit for the site to promote the servers and the servers to promote the site, but if we are not all on the same page, it just drives up demand for Xanax.

We have asked the server operators whose ingame rotating messages indicate the rules are posted here to come up with something. The staff just offered up the old CCM rules set as a starting point.

If they don't unanimously adopt them, they will then have the opportunity to post their own set. We have already gotten one very nasty email that we had no idea how to address because we were not involved, nor were we witnesses to the event in question. Needless to say the language and tenor of the email was such that we saw no benefit in responding.

Further, if no rules sets are forthcoming, we will eventually have to post a rules disclaimer so that we (who have no stake in the issue) don't get thrashed for something we have no part of. And based on comments here, looks like I need to start writing that disclaimer just in case.

[DrGreen]

REPENT!!!!
and ye shall be saved!

[JTFazz]

REPENT!!!!
and ye shall be saved!

You may have to lay hands on them and HEAL them, Doc.

[MASH]

The problem comes in where players who are kicked or banned come to the forums for redress of grievances because at least two or three of the servers' rotating messages say rules are posted here. But they are not. The site admin staff has been discussing ways to rectify this without trying to set policy for each server.

Just to make it easy, we offered up the old CCM general rules set for the server operators to accept or reject as a general set of rules, subject to modification based on the individual games dynamics.

When rules are advertised as being here on the site and are not, it then becomes an issue for the staff here to address. Some server operators have decided to adopt the VSF name and promote the site and therefore the connection becomes a bit stronger, albeit still unofficial.

We would like to think it is a mutual benefit for the site to promote the servers and the servers to promote the site, but if we are not all on the same page, it just drives up demand for Xanax.

We have asked the server operators whose ingame rotating messages indicate the rules are posted here to come up with something. The staff just offered up the old CCM rules set as a starting point.

If they don't unanimously adopt them, they will then have the opportunity to post their own set. We have already gotten one very nasty email that we had no idea how to address because we were not involved, nor were we witnesses to the event in question. Needless to say the language and tenor of the email was such that we saw no benefit in responding.

Further, if no rules sets are forthcoming, we will eventually have to post a rules disclaimer so that we (who have no stake in the issue) don't get thrashed for something we have no part of. And based on comments here, looks like I need to start writing that disclaimer just in case.

I totally agree with you, JT. Thunderdome is on board with the rules as presented (only very minor modifications were requested). What comments make you think that others will not abide?

[Bokchoi]

Welcome to the forum and apologizing is a good step forward that's for sure. But killing bokchoi is automatic ban IMHO :roll: I do believe in giving out chances, heck I even TK'ed NV last night but I apologize asap as usual.

For those people that TK by mistake and said "****","****", etc... That's not apologizing, that's just you stating you're a dumbass moron who doesn't know how to apologize. (PS: Nobody on the vsf server has done this to date yet, good stuff).

[MASH]

Welcome to the forum and apologizing is a good step forward that's for sure. But killing bokchoi is automatic ban IMHO :roll: I do believe in giving out chances, heck I even TK'ed NV last night but I apologize asap as usual.

For those people that TK by mistake and said "poop","love", etc... That's not apologizing, that's just you stating you're a dumbass moron who doesn't know how to apologize. (PS: Nobody on the vsf server has done this to date yet, good stuff).
Poop love?

I saw a web site about that one time... :scared:

[YellowDog]

KnuckleHeads. Generally people who join the server just to cause problems and make everyones time on that server miserable.

From the mouth of the Perfesser and a shineing example of forgiveness working.
Good to see things still get worked out in a positive manner

As to the rules the CCM rules could be posted as a guideline with the appropiate disclaimer of these not being hard and fast for any given server but if followed will keep you in good stead.

YD

[Iggy]

Welcome to the forum and apologizing is a good step forward that's for sure. But killing bokchoi is automatic ban IMHO :roll: I do believe in giving out chances, heck I even TK'ed NV last night but I apologize asap as usual.

For those people that TK by mistake and said "poop","love", etc... That's not apologizing, that's just you stating you're a dumbass moron who doesn't know how to apologize. (PS: Nobody on the vsf server has done this to date yet, good stuff).
Poop love?

I saw a web site about that one time... :scared:

Ah, the word filter hard at work. Any guesses as to what love translates to? ;)

[Menzel]

oops, I've been so tied up in work the last few days I haven't had a chance to check the forums. :(

The COD server for the most part has been loosely following the rules that CCM followed, thanks in no small part to the VSF members who have been administering it. I know (at least for the COD admins) we haven't really had any formal communications on how to handle problem issues, so hopefully I can get some general things covered in the next few days. I know Kaga is working on finalizing a set of rules for all VSF servers, and I think that will help to outline the policies which should be followed as well. Maybe even one of these days when I finish my work I can start showing up on the server 8O

I do believe most everyone deserves a second chance if they ask for it, and I'm glad to see that tecknikal has come to ask for another opportunity to prove he can be a welcome player on our COD server. Welcome aboard tecknikal :)
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[SauerKraut]

REPENT!!!!
and ye shall be saved!

You may have to lay hands on them and HEAL them, Doc.


"Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape!"

[JTFazz]

I totally agree with you, JT. Thunderdome is on board with the rules as presented (only very minor modifications were requested). What comments make you think that others will not abide?

No reflection on the server operators, but how popular opinion (read mob rule) on these things can get away from us sometimes, despite our best efforts.

The staff has addressed and heartily endorsed those suggested changes. We have drawn up your suggested addition and have also removed references to punishment, leaving that at the discretion of the individual server admin/operator (which can be added to the rules section for your server section if desired).

We have also added a section about posting this type of thread to dispute or protest a ban or kick. The staff did not address this early on because we had no servers operating as affiliates. But an addendum has been posted to the forum rules and to the suggested game server rules that punishment issues should be taken up privately with the appropriate admin.

We are excited over the response we have received from the affiliate gaming server operators re: this issue (primarily because we are too lazy to start from scratch). I just hope Artemis doesn't sue us for copyright violation... :D

[DrGreen]

REPENT!!!!
and ye shall be saved!

You may have to lay hands on them and HEAL them, Doc.


"Get your stinking paws off me you d**n dirty ape!"

U love it.
Admit it.
Cause it feels so good.
A good beside manner and reeeeeeeal soft hands.
Now,
turn your head & cough.

[NVmySTYLE]

first let me say in my opinion i am a very easy going guy and it takes alot to draw a kick or ban from me.

you drop the ninja bomb auto kick

i witness you tk auto kick/ban

everything else will at the very least get a warning first. i greet any returning player on his second connection to the server with a server message (even jt couldn't believe i was the friendly admin lol ). my aim is to grow this community not to police it with an iron hand. simple rules for a simple admin......considering teck was the first ban says alot. most of the players shape up after the first warning as a matter of fact teck got the first kick and ban in the same night and to this day there are no perm bans for cod. most players come around to our way of thinking eventually.

[Rogue]

first let me say in my opinion i am a very easy going guy and it takes alot to draw a kick or ban from me.

you drop the ninja bomb auto kick

i witness you tk auto kick/ban

everything else will at the very least get a warning first. i greet any returning player on his second connection to the server with a server message (even jt couldn't believe i was the friendly admin lol ). my aim is to grow this community not to police it with an iron hand. simple rules for a simple admin......considering teck was the first ban says alot. most of the players shape up after the first warning as a matter of fact teck got the first kick and ban in the same night and to this day there are no perm bans for cod. most players come around to our way of thinking eventually.
Just wait until summer vacation starts... :|

-Rogue